ZERO

Read-it_Lurker

river has ZERO fees if you DCA after a week or so

biba8163

Again, hype and buzzwords. But ZERO analysis or evidence provided of how any of these pilots or collaborations will actually create demand for the token offsetting the ~50% the "Foundation" has to dump, hopefully creating appreciable returns for investors. > post garbage that I wont even read? Of course questioning the value proposition of something that you shill people to buy is garbage. I do this because people fall for these hype tech projects over and over again and keep losing money.

Haunting-Student-756

TF kinda post is this? Lots of words to say ZERO. No details just DAF

RogerEpsilonDelta

Completely agree, ZERO functionality and real world applications for bitcoin.

HodLMania

NOW LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING, BROTHER What you gonna do.. wen 69000 Kwon-no-maniacs RUNS ZERO on you, Brother !!

Chronicles0122

Literally anywhere that doesn’t have unrealized gains. ANYWHERE. Holy shit… this is unreal. Off the top of my head New Zealand , Switzerland and the UAE have ZERO capital gains tax

Aoi_Haru

I use crypto.com and while the app is pretty ok, I must say they have absolutely ZERO customer support.

wizardstrikes2

Again you are comparing an abacus to a quantum computer. Or the safety of a wooden bridge made in the 1800’s and compare the safety to a bridge made in 2020. It is intellectually disingenuous to compare a generation I nuclear reactor to a generation III+ nuclear reactor. The 2950’s-1970’s there were zero nuclear safety protocols in place. There was no Nuclear Facilities Safety Board. They didn’t even need very many permits in the 70’s. Ukraine only has generation I and generation II nuclear power plants. A generation IIi+ nuclear power plant can withstand anything nature has to offer. Winds up to 5000 mph, multiple direct hit nuclear detonations, and the only leaked radiation would be from the bombs. Generation I and II nuclear didn’t have any Passive safety systems:……Generation III+ nuclear operate without human intervention or electrical power, using natural forces like gravity, natural circulation, and compressed gases. They require bomb proof containment structures: they are made to withstand any manmade disaster, natural disasters, and other extreme conditions. Do you think you are more safe in an automobile made in 1950 or 2020? There have been ZERO GENERATION III+ accidents in 24 years, manmade or otherwise. All your points are from the 50- 80’s. Technology has vastly improved in the last 80 years….

drawgas

Zero. Thats how much you should have of any shitcoin - ZERO.

ts_wrathchild

Where any of us would be if we were in his shoes - in international waters, on a yacht, with enough money to last 50 lifetimes and 24/7 armed security. You won't hear from this guy ever again. Of course he knew what was going on, which is why he retired. It's up for debate on if he participated or facilitated in anything criminal, but there is ZERO doubt he knew there were crimes happening and the second he steps on US soil, he's in cuffs for questioning - he knows this.

Mirved

Wow how delusional can a person be. "He had nothing to do with it". There is 100s of videos of him clearly inciting his base to take matters in there own hands. Let alone him claiming for months that there was voting fraud with ZERO evidence.

Davinter30

Dude you have ZERO control over your emotions, just leave this space

Chronicles0122

Meanwhile who is the one of the largest holders of American equities… pension funds … retirement funds … the baby boomer funds … there is NO WAY … ZERO chance America would survive passing this ridiculous law lol . Game over bro.

sudomatrix

Nope, the IRS doesn't care if a rule is "ridiculous". I sold stock WITH NO PROFIT and the broker reported the total amount to the IRS but didn't report the cost basis I bought it at or the profit amount. The IRS send me a bill with penalties and interest for not paying tax on the entire amount. Since they didn't know the cost basis they just assumed it was ZERO (ie: I bought the stock at the price of zero) and demanded I paid tax based on 100% profit. It was on me to prove I had made 0% profit and owed no taxes no penalties and no interest.

maestrothrowaway

Oh I dunno maybe interest rates at ZERO and free government money?

StianHvalborg

What you mean failed? I’ve been using bitcoin as main currency AND bank since 2013 and it saved my life because it’s the ONLY currency that actually works. All my banks instantly close and get seized for months on end for absolutely ZERO reason. I never break the law I always pay my taxes. I’d probably be starved to death today if it were not for the unstoppable power of bitcoin.

flutecop

So many bad takes in this thread! There is no such thing as intrinsic value. All value is subjective. Gold has ZERO intrinsic value because there is no such thing as intrinsic value. People use intrinsic value as shorthand to explain value which is very durable. (The utility value of gold is considered very durable) Which is fine, but it is still technically subjective. It is therefore a mistake to base any argument on the tenet of intrinsic value. Intrinsic vale = subjective value which is considered very durable.

StupidWorthless2

ZERO!!!

analogOnly

I have ZERO BTC. I used to have many, but now I have zero. Harddrive got corrupted in a fire.

RyuguRenabc1q

ZERO!!!

john1derry

You sound like you are a person with little patience. If you are holding bitcoin sell it all now, it’s going to ZERO.

ElectronicWeight3

ZERO! When it comes out, ZERO!!! 🤣

Visara57

It's going to ZERO. Everyone who doesn't see it is literally blind /s

StianHvalborg

Why the fakk do you think I will ever sell my BTC for worthless fiat currency? Fiat currency has zero value. ZERO. What part of “I’m NEVER selling my BTC for worthless fiat EVER” do you not understand? I’ll repeat again. Your USD has a NEGATIVE value at this point. You’re at 300+ trillion dept. and your GDP is barely 30 trillion. You’re bankrupt kid. BANKRUPT. You just don’t know it yet. 1 BTC will always be 1 BTC, because the total circulating is 21 million BTC and will never go past 21 million BTC. Your worthless fiat dollar on the other hand has a INFINITE inflation and it’s gonna inflate into oblivion. Period.

anonymouscitizen2

So what are you suggesting people do? Hold dollars, go to a store, convert dollars to crypto at the store somehow, and then immediately spend it hoping the price doesn’t change at finalization? Or lose a bunch of money holding the crypto so you don’t have to pay cap gains?(you’ll still want to report those losses or your wasting money so its still extra work) Why not just spend the dollars and avoid the hassle? If cryptocurrency is going to have any chance of competing with government dollars as a medium of exchange it requires legal and tax treatment the government will NEVER give up. This is not even taking into consideration ZERO cryptocurrencies can compete with VISA at scale currently. It does not work. There are far better applications and the market has made that clear to anybody bothering to look. All payment coins have tanked 95%+ over the past 7 years.

EnigmaticMJ

I like XLM, but I'd strongly argue that Nano is better "in spirit and practice". Instant full settlement, faster than any other. Zero fees ever, so literally no one is ever excluded from participation. Fees on networks like XLM are small for now, but should be expected to increase dramatically with increased demand. Quality of service (priority) based on activity rather than who can pay the most in fees. ZERO supply inflation, meaning no holder will EVER be debased by the introduction of new supply. Properly incentivized decentralization. The lack of monetary rewards (inflation & fees) for service providers means there's no incentive to centralize, and they are actually incentivized to decentralize to improve network health.

EnigmaticMJ

Nano. Instant. Feeless. ZERO inflation. Incentivized decentralization. It doesn't get any better.

Fun-Reflection5013

Cool You calculated how much power you will need to run it ? At the price of bitcoin , you have alot of runway. Whats the likelihood you mine a coin ? I have a 100 Amp panel with 64 breakers I'd consider running a few older machines. FYI --- I have ZERO clue.

sumcollegekid

For the LAST... fucking... time....... BlackRock IS NOT BUYING BITCOIN. Investors in the BlackRock IBIT ETF are buying Bitcoin. BlackRock literally owns ZERO Bitcoin. Z E R O BlackRock is just the casino collecting fees. JFC! Everyone wants to be a conspiracy theorist.

riscten

You're not trusting any miner. Everything the miners do is out there in the open. This cannot be underlined enough. There is absolutely ***ZERO TRUST*** in the mining process. You can check every single thing they do, down to the last bit. That's the entire point of full nodes. Don't trust, verify. This is wildly different from giving your money to Blackrock/Coinbase and trusting that they're not betting it all on GME.

BraidRuner

##ZERO There are people today who have Zero and will only ever have Zero because they will never start at all. Not $1 not $2 Not $5 Not $10 to invest in their future. This is not you!! You have started *STRONG* Now *CARRY ON*

Wershingtern

Sadly it was a real cost, it’s at a property owned by family. Power bill used to be $10 month or so just running a heater during winter months so when anyone would visit it wasn’t freezing inside. Internet was a plus for sure, and when they finally ran fiber of all things out there I wanted to have it regardless of mining or not. Before 2018 there was ZERO phone service out there, let alone internet

Little_Red_Rooster_1

I started with Ellipal which I really liked for usability but I have now switched to the NGRAVE ZERO for peace of mind. It's expensive but if you are using it to secure all of your crypto assets it's worth it I think. The reason I went with it was the mechanism they use for generating what they call the "Perfect Key". The process uses input from the user as a variable in the key generation process which takes place in memory rather than pulling from a predefined list of seed words and keys. This gives you complete control of the keys that are generated. You should go read about it so that you have a full understanding of the difference in how the key generation process is implemented from device to device.

DrewfromSwanBitcoin

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Little_Red_Rooster_1

No not really, the point of a cold wallet is to insure that your seed phrase and private key is completely secure by never having the device connected to the internet or a computer that could be infected with malware and having complete custody of your keys so that no one at an exchange or any other third party could ever get access to them and drain your wallet. Using a cold wallet that generates the keys based on your input ensures that even the manufacturer of the device couldn't know what the keys are. I have been using Ellipal but discovered that the seed phrase and private keys are all preprogrammed on the device and since their code isn't completely open source you have no idea what they could do with it. Given that it's made in Hong Kong I decided to dig deeper for a solution that would give me true peace of mind. I landed on the NGRAVE ZERO which I am in the process of testing.

ResponsibilitySea327

Lololol. You don't know what they hell I do, do you? You have ZERO idea what running a large power grid is like until you step in my shoes. The plant I support is guaranteed to be several times larger than all the other plants you've been party to. I'll bet the proverbial farm on that one. You don't have the education or clearances to even step in those shoes. But your comment is more related to the price of tea than bitcoin. Of course any economic output requites power. And any power generation has a environmental cost. The point is that ESG is just a political leverage point and doesn't make something "green". It is all based in one's reference. A wond farm is arguably better than coal and an EV may be better than an ICE car in some references, but it doesn't mean that building an EV is environmentally friendly. SEER 16 is better than SEER 14, but you won't save the planet running a SEER 16 AC unit 24/7. You can consume your way to environmentally friendly, you can only mitigate future power growth rates. Take ESG politics and shove it.

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Subarunatsuki2

Crabmob to zero. Kryptonite to zero. Myro to fucking ZERO!!!

Seralcar

What? No they haven't. They've been saying that the price won't increase at all. Nothing to do with the halving Let me guess, you're new to crypto in the last couple of years but more likely the last 6 months and have ZERO education in macro+micro economics just like 85% of retail coiners

iCer_One

OMG sell! We are doomed selll it now or never. BTC is going to ZERO! ALTS are scam. SELL OR DIE /s

Old-Cardiologist-545

Gold and sliver were ‘good’ investments…. Bitcoin isn’t an investment it’s savings technology and EVERYTHING IS GOING TO ZERO IN TERMS OF BITCOIN. Diversification is important in any asset besides bitcoin. It’s the greatest investment since the internet and it will keep getting better.

Leather_Movie4056

Exactly. No transparency, crooks, dark money ops, and all the BS will continue to threaten it and easily could go to ZERO in its current form. That is why the bigs avoided and that it is unregulated with no protection when it has a glitch. No refunds!! No guarantees, nothing! I’ll just continue to avoid and go with safer action. Boom is great and tradable until bust rocks it to its core. It will likely happen because no rules to safeguard. And if Internet drops for a long period, what then? A solar flare is highly probable.

Subarunatsuki2

ZERO!!!

MrStabbyTime

I'm own more BTC than 99.9% of those assholes and I will cut bitcoin's throat in a new york minute if something better comes along. ZERO loyalty.

ts_wrathchild

> but it seems somewhat naive to imagine that “this time it’s different!”. Does it, though? IMO, this time is *very* different. We have ZERO historical data that would allow us to predict what happens between now and next year because in past cycles we had about half of the capital exposure as we have today - and that's being generous. Bears who attempt to time *this* market are going to get absolutely eviscerated. We're going to have posts here in early 2026 asking when it's going to drop to 150K because OP sold at 110k thinking we were overheated, only for it to shoot past 250K. Careful this time guys.

Daisyssssmom

It will be really funny if bitcoin surges and you’re up 10,000% and then it drops 50% in a day and you have ZERO while we all still have BITCOIN.

PhillyNJMusicMan

Ummm... There's like a ZERO chance that will ever be ZERO from here on in, my friend. #BTC 👍😂🪙😎

MysteryLiezer

If I’ll be assuming, regardless, with ZERO chance at EVER confirming it, I’d rather assume that Bitcoin creates secret billionaires before I assume that the earliest Bitcoiners were technologically incompetent enough to lose their coins. Once again, I’m assuming either way, just like you would be, and everyone else, as well; it’s just the assumption I choose to believe, in an effort to further shape my future world view, based on my current world view (along with new information).

MysteryLiezer

I didn’t say that I don’t believe any bitcoin is lost. What I said, in general, was that no one could ever come up with a method to even inaccurately try to estimate how much Bitcoin is lost. The only reason people try to conceptualize about it, is because we have a public ledger that can show dormant addresses; my whole thing, is when you see that dormant address, why wouldn’t you automatically think “diamond hands,” as opposed to your natural assumption being “oh, this person must’ve threw their bitcoin-filled hard drive away.” Outside of the people who you personally know to have lost bitcoin, there should be ZERO indication that ANY of the other coins you observe on the blockchain are “lost.” I mean, outside of dormant addresses, how else are we to infer about “lost” bitcoin, when people ask this question?

MysteryLiezer

No one will ever know how much bitcoin is lost forever, and here’s why I don’t ever entertain the idea of it: if you believe that a wallet can only lay dormant because the owner lost access to their coins somehow, then you’d be implying that Bitcoin isn’t worth holding for even just a decade (which is an extremely small amount of time, as far as generational wealth is concerned) Everyone who believes that ANY Bitcoin is lost, just from looking at an addresses transaction history, has ZERO concept of what having TRUE diamond hands would ever. look like, as they can’t even recognize it while staring at a verifiably accurate blockchain ledger. For the people who automatically assume that a dormant address = lost, and does NOT automatically assume that a dormant address = diamond handed investor, I can’t help but ask, why the lack of faith in Bitcoin?

Adventurous_Elk9916

My goal is to own ZERO 😀

Introvert82

Yeah, because fatties and drug addict bring ZERO cost to society /s San Fransisco says hello. I'm only in deep shit until I actually hit someone.

imrickjamesbioch

ZERO, unlike some, I have no desire to make more money than what i can live off comfortably for the rest of my life. Which in my state is probably about 10m-20m. Statement doesn’t change my mind/opinion that i think crypto (BTC) is the future BUT nobody can guarantee that the government won’t one day try to regulate the crypto market and ruin everything….

Objective_Digit

>Dude, you are out of your depth here. Spare me the crass patronising tone. You're the one with the absurd claim that there's ZERO chance ETH will be labelled a security. The markets don't seem to think so judging by ETHBTC. Gensler doesn't think so. >In Ripple: Just go to the summary: >Defendants’ motion for summary judgment is GRANTED as to the Programmatic Sales, the Other Distributions, and Larsen’s and Garlinghouse’s sales, and DENIED as to the Institutional Sales.

skeetskeetamirite

I’m still stacking and ZERO depressed. Zoom out; even with silk road BTC seizure sell offs by the US Govt and GBTC dumping coin, the overall trend is upward and another ATH is probably BEFORE the halving?! What clearer signal do you need? We’re in a good spot? Be patient, keep stacking if you can… and for the love of god, quit projecting FUD. Onward!

cjarguello

Amazing. I never thought of it that way. He’s secretly hyper bullish on BTC and wants to dump his Gold before it goes to ZERO. 🤯

JynsRealityIsBroken

"we believe in the power of gummification" That's how you know this whole thing is total bullshit. That's not even remotely a real thing. That sentence makes ZERO sense, no matter how you spin it.

tungfa

kraken has ZERO issues, am there for 8 years and all happy

NeedDividend

ZERO? Really? And you think BTC will drop by 50% this year... from the current $65-66k? Possible but very unlikely IMO. In fact, I'm betting big it won't. No risk, no gain. Anyway, I found something even better than BITX... ***BITX LEAPS***. Buy a bunch, sell calls on them, generate a nice monthly income while waiting for BTC to pump. :-))

t0astter

Glad I'm not the only one that wondered why the hell you would stake your tickets for liquidity. That whole sentence is literally "noun + buzzwords". Why do airline tickets even need a liquidity pool lmfao. Why would you even need to stake them? It makes ZERO real world sense.

No_Driver_7994

That’s it, it’s going to zero, ZERO…

giddyup281

Made a killing on Base chain with Degen just using that logic. Prices (until now) have been ATH after ATH for the last 2 weeks. A friend asked me if I took profit, bcs it's "logical". I didn't, bcs there is no logic in memecoins and crypto trends. It makes ZERO sense.

Smitty114

While I agree and I am in a similar position as you, what if you had ZERO BTC right now? It would be damn hard to stand on the sidelines. I guess you can start DCA'ing in but there is a chance you miss a major move.

Wise-Application-144

ZERO!!!

Daisyssssmom

BITX looks good in a bull run. But it can go the other way fast. And if Bitcoin ever drops 50% in a day, you’ll have ZERO.

Unreasonablysahd

There are several plausible BTC KILL scenarios. A. 1. ETFs lock up supply. 2. With no supply, no transactions. 3. No transactions lead to miners going insolvent. 4. Miners going insolvent leads to network congestion from difficulty rebalance lag. 5. Difficulty rebalance lag leads to high transaction time, i.e. weeks or month. 6. Network locks up, people lose trust. 7. Advances in AI computing discover flaw or ability to perform 51% attack. 8. Nefarious actor does 51% attack. 9. Btc kill. B. 1. Sustained economic downturn. 2. Over leveraged MSTR can’t service loans. 3. Illiquid MSTR forced to sell BTC. 4. Major crash in price. 5. Public loses trust. 6. Btc kill Or a combination of those scenarios. BUT WHATEVER ANYONE TELLS YOU. THERE IS A NON ZERO CHANCE BTC WILL NOT BE AROUND IN 10 years.

romfax

ZERO [ZERO](https://youtu.be/sOzcMVPZqMk?feature=shared)

shortybobert

There should be ZERO fucking meme coins. Crypto is a fucking disaster now

Ribbit765

Kinda makes sense, but my cost basis is truly ZERO since I did not 'buy" the rewards in the first place. Indeed I bought the underlying coin(s), but not the rewards.

SettingIntentions

> you should pay taxes 37% too much. 15%? Fair. > You’re 1 week *Your > You’re 1 week of research that depending on how much you invested, can return insane gains, is not much labor at all. You're forgetting THAT YOU'RE RISKING YOUR MONEY THAT COULD ALSO GO TO ZERO, and SOME INVESTMENTS DO GO TO 0. So you spend months investing in 25 projects, 20 go to 0, and 5 go up, THAT'S CALLED WORK AND RISK. > most people in here are doing probably max 2 hours of research on a coin before apeing in. And many of those coins go to 0 or they sell it at a loss. Luckily they can write that off on what they do win.

Abundance144

I'm comparing value to value; the idea that you don't seem to understand. Value is preceived usefulness. If something has zero use; IE Bitcoin that cannot function anymore, then it obviously has ZERO value.

PossibleConclusion1

I just want to know why claiming ZERO on my W4 doesn't translate into the correct amount of taxes being withheld?!? I'm only talking about from my job. I understand there are other taxable events that raise or lower my tax burden.

Knerd5

An opinion that is *probable* of which there is ZERO indication of that in the article. You didn’t even say some altcoins you literally said every one but bitcoin lol.

phoneguy3

The burden of proof is on promoters of junk science. There is absolutely ZERO proof that you can provide. Not even common sense. Go ahead and believe your propaganda, just don't push it on people who believe in humanity.

Cyrus-114

I think it's hilarious how the "great community" of BLBY had exactly ZERO self-awareness and made this whole sub hate them and their coin by being annoying shilling pricks. There's a fine line between "shilling to get the word out" and "shilling just to be annoying". BLBY shills blew so far past that line it's like they're running a marathon when the race was only a 100m sprint.

HippoDance

So you did ZERO research

analogOnly

Cryptography does NOT mean encryption. There are many cryptographic algorithms that do ZERO encryption.

analogOnly

THERE IS ZERO ENCRYPTION IN BITCOIN. It uses SHA 256, which is a Hashing Algorithm and ECDSA for key pair infrastructure.

AmericanScream

#Stupid Crypto Talking Point #26 (fiat crime/ponzi) **"Banks commit fraud too!"** / **"Stocks are a ponzi also!"** / **"More fiat is used for crime than Crypto!"** 1. This is called a Tu Quoque Fallacy, aka "Whataboutism", "Two Wrongs Make A Right" or "Appeal to Hypocrisy" - it's a distraction from the core argument. Just because you can find something you think is similar/wrong that doesn't mean your alternative system is an acceptable substitute. 2. Whatever thing in modern/traditional society also might be sketchy is irrelevant. Chances are crypto's version of it is even worse, less accountable and more sketchy. 3. At least in traditional society, with banks, stocks, and fiat, there are more controls, more regulations and more agencies specifically tasked with policing these industries and making sure to *minimize* bad things happening. (Just because we can't eliminate *all* criminal activity in a particular market doesn't mean crypto would be an improvement - there's ZERO evidence for that.) 4. Stocks are not a ponzi scheme. In a ponzi, there is no value created through honest work/sales. You can hold a stock and still make money when that company produces products people pay for. Stocks also represent fractional ownership of companies that have real-world assets. Crypto has no such properties. 5. When people say more fiat is used in crime than crypto, this isn't surprising. Fiat is used by 99.99% of society as the main payment method. Crypto is used by 0.01% of society. So of course more fiat will be used in crime. There's proportionately more of it in circulation and use. That doesn't mean fiat is bad. In fact as a proportion of the total in circulation, more crypto is [used in crime](https://www.thefp.com/p/the-case-against-bitcoin) than fiat. It's estimated that as much as [23-45% of crypto is used for criminal purposes](https://researchers.mq.edu.au/en/publications/sex-drugs-and-bitcoin-how-much-illegal-activity-is-financed-throu).

Introvert82

Don't post a stupid question no one can know the answer to. You gave absolutely ZERO background info about yourself.

Pitiful-Relief-3246

WTF Is this what you asked me to lend you $50K for Bradley?? I thought you said “pay off student loans & pay you back when I get a JOB”.. NOT gamble it away on some ‘magic internet coins’ that have ZERO actual value! 🤨

Dinkledorker

What i've learned is the market does opposite of what everyone expects it will do. When you hear "BITCOIN 100K IMMINENT" everywhere, right after a huge run... then likely there is going to be a correction. If you hear "BITCOIN IS A SCAM AND GOING TO ZERO, WHAT IS BLACKROCK THINKING!!!111ONE", after a crash or correction. Then the drop is likely in. Tdlr: dont buy for price, buy according to fear and greed index. Greed = sell, fear = buy

analogOnly

There is ZERO encryption in the bitcoin protocol.

Normal-Jelly607

Because bitcoin etf in a Roth Ira is ZERO tax And self custody BTC is 15%.

1025scrap

I agree with everything you said except “not interested in the price”. I find it hard to believe you have ZERO interest in the price, for reasons that are obvious.

formyburn101010

Mr Wonderful says there is ZERO chance Powell takes a risk and lowers rates this year. Not me. Mr. Wonderful.

adulbrev

Ukraine has ZERO BTC

thebawller

Dan Peña was right all along, dang. Time to pack it in boys, we had a good run. We're headed straight to F*****G ZERO.

Haunting-Student-756

BTC for me. Dollars going to ZERO

chocolateboomslang

You do both, it's not one or the other. The insane tax benefits that most people can get from an asset we generally expect to go up *a lot* currently far outweigh my need for self custody. Self custody is great and all, but I'm not interested in trying to sneak around the tax man, and I don't currently believe the government is going to impede me in anything I want to do. I do however stand to pay thousands in taxes on part of my investment, and ZERO tax on another part of it. I really like legal 0% capital gains tax.

ZenGoOfficial

Ok nevermind on the other post from. I will shill: you're basically looking for Zengo Pro. We have the industry's first built-in inheritance style feature, Theft Protection that locks your assets to you, and NO seed phrase. 1 million users since 2018... ZERO wallets drained (We use MPC instead). DM us and I'll get the team to give you 3 months of Zengo Pro for free if you wanna play around with it. Cheers.

biba8163

> VET as well Vechain is one of the biggest scams in crypto and always lures the lowest IQ "investors." Here is my post from 2020, basic pasta of the Vechain scam I've been posting since 2018 https://np.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/fn9zx2/discussion_of_the_day_vechain_vet/fl8q5it/ > VeChain was launched in Nov 2016, basically a failed startup with zero customers and zero revenue. With 2017 came the Bitcoin crypto boom, lots of hype, lots of ICOs raking in money. Vechain decided to do an ICO and also grab dumb investor money with lots of hype as an enterprise supply chain project. https://www.nasdaq.com/article/bitse-launches-blockchain-based-vechain-platform-teams-up-with-pwc-cm715284 > Leading the Vechain hype train is its CEO Sunny Lu claiming he was buying as much Vechain as he could for over $4.00 > "I am buying as much I can from open market personally (at $4.00+). Honestly, it's quite private and I did not want to share this before." - Sunny Lu https://i.imgur.com/J4cLKxl.png > Shady Vechain strategic advisor CREAM, aka Jackson Fu is also a leading hypeman who himself claims to own and run China's 2nd best performing hedge fund with 2% returns PER DAY. > "Before cryptocurrency I formed my quant hedge fund, it's still there in Shaghai. I am just not running it. *We're the 2nd best in China for 2 years in a row. In terms of steady returns, 2% per day. Not bad." - CREAM aka Jackson Fu Strategic Advisor to Vechain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGWpVLPGHg&t=, around 3:30 Their modus operandi is hype hype hype...again, Vechain's strategic advisor: > "Pamp it...VET should be $1 by Sept 1st (2018)" https://i.imgur.com/h7uqMzW.png Vechain created massive hype saying they would be the most used blockchain in the world on mainnet and had to prepare for trillions of transactions. Here is their CEO Sunny Lu who was buying more Vechain for himself at $4 😂😂😂 > **With trillions of expected transactions**, the VeChainThor Blockchain will continuously collaborate with these security firms for peak performance. As companies continue to onboard post mainnet launch, in due time the VeChainThor Blockchain will be the most heavily used blockchain globally - Vechain Foundation https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechains-collaboration-with-slowmist-and-other-private-firms-to-secure-the-vechainthor-blockchain-8ed186c00f17 Sunny Lu brags again...buy buy buy > at mainnet launch, the VeChainThor blockchain will be the public blockchain with the most business activity in the world - Sunny Lu https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/an-open-letter-from-sunny-lu-ceo-on-vechainthor-platform-b52d47cd0efd Jason Rockwood Vechain General Manager also hypes that Vechain will dwarf every other blockchain > When VeChain launches, it will be the most used blockchain in the world. Because of the sheer number of transactions needed to enable the IoT data revolution for enterprises like the ones mentioned above, an enterprise grade blockchain needs to be able to massively scale. Currently, the Ethereum blockchain runs about 10 transactions per second. When VeChainThor launches on June 30th, it will be running around 50 transactions per second, probably more. Not because it “can”, but because it has to to keep up with client demand. - Jason Rockwood, General Manager, VeChain Americas ..and of course the price is going to explode because Vechain already has tons of enterprise clients who are migrating from the consortium chain, other Fortune 500 companies that are signed up and like him you should DOUBLE DOWN and BUY MORE!! > there are numerous other clients, both enterprise and governmental, that are in development under NDA", that "Fortune 500 companies working to come on board", that "June 30th (2018)...we will begin to migrate over the existing clients from a private chain to a public one", and that "I sleep very well at night knowing how much adoption VeChain will see in the next 12 to 24 months." He said that the prices were so low because "Well, the biggest reason is that we aren’t actually live yet" and that "Now is an excellent time to either hold what you have, or double down and buy more. https://medium.com/@jasonrockwood/hello-friends-7d99a8e48f76 (now deleted) As seen about Vechain's main use case is to hype and pump price. The Thunder, Strength, Mjolnir, X Nodes are not really master or staking nodes and have ZERO purpose but as marketing gimmicks to get investors to buy and hold large bags of Vechain. They also hyped their Authority Nodes and that they're a proof of authority blockchain with 101 active validators who will be putting their identities.....almost 3 years later, there has been no annoucement who the 101 authority nodes are. Again, marketing gimmick. > It is when their identities and reputations are at stake that all the AMs can be held accountable and incentivized to work in the best interest for the networks growth and security https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/defining-the-vechainthor-blockchain-consensus-proof-of-authority-8cf3f51a5fa0 Here are more marketing gimmicks used by Vechain to pump price. Lotteries. You hold while the price drops and you might win in some lottery: https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/one-year-anniversary-and-x-node-binding-lottery-event-51be44dd0738 And Vechain has tons of these lotteries to get you to hold while the price drops: https://twitter.com/vechainofficial/status/1025778761940127745 And don't forget partnerships. Everything is a partnership for Vechain and they have parntnerned with everyone under the sun: Partnered with Oxford University...whoops they deleted that article: https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/the-mathematical-institute-at-oxford-university-joins-vechains-veresearch-program-to-provide-25246284cb02 "Open Partner Program" that is free of charge where companies are encouraged to participate. VeChain has turned this into a "VeChain has been chosen" for a partnership which is a blatant lie. https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechain-is-chosen-for-the-ntt-docomo-5g-partner-program-3f89c8d95b40 2,000+ companies attending the Expo in a gigantic mega-complex . This medium article makes it sound like Vechain got a special invitation and DNV-GL specifically asked to demonstrate the ‘‘DNV GL-VeChain Digital Carbon Ecosystem Experience Event" Hype hype hype https://medium.com/@vechainofficial/vechain-showcases-multiple-solutions-at-the-first-inaugural-china-international-import-expo-a855f356a690 Google 10,000 unique cars tracked on Cahrenheit blockchain based ecosystem...lots of hype then, nothing happened, dead link now http://cah.world/#Roadmap There are tons of tons of hyped parnterships...that is nothing but hype. Chinese Tobacco, Bright Foods, Government parterships with VeChain VETTED vaccines saving millions of Chinese children, Renault, BYD, lost track over the years. Anyone Vechain talks to or attends an open conference is a partner. Their closest thing is offering free use of their blockchain which it looks like Walmart China did as POC but nothing more. To this day, there is zero evidence that there is any company that has paid to use the Vechain Blockchain.

Disastrous-Dinner966

This is nonsense. Blakcrock is legally barred from initiating a fork of bitcoin. It is clear manipulation and they would sh next to class action. They could do it, yes, but they won’t because they really don’t care. Blackrock owns ZERO Bitcoin. All the Bitcoin they manage belongs to their customers. They literally don’t care.

Jemtex

what there vector though? BTC makes USD to ZERO [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfP8dx2TdEM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfP8dx2TdEM)

Romsel87

You heard it here first: ZERO!

neda6117

I know who’s behind bitcoin and it ain’t some Japanese guy in a cave. I know the guy. And when people find out bitcoin is going to ZERO

superincognitoneato

Which is highly elevated with the language and narrative surrounding bitcoin…I mean there’s FOMO and then there is ALL OTHER CURRENCY AND ASSETS ARE GOING TO ZERO AND BITCOIN WILL BE THE ONLY THING LEFT STANDING. IT IS THE APEX PREDATOR OF ALL ASSETS. I mean talk about anxiety inducing

Shaglock

Okay I’m gonna give yous an alpha. Download Phantom Wallet, buy 1 SOL on your CEX, send it to the wallet. Search $BOMO on coingecko and copy the contract address. Open in-wallet browser and visit raydium.io , paste the address and swap your SOL for the tokens. Then hold until it got listed on Binance or CDC. It could 100x and your $200 SOL turns to $20,000. Or it could go to ZERO. Do this only if you have $200 to gamble and not worry about your mental health.

SnooWoofers7345

Dudebro said ZERO and he meant ZERO!

IdentifyAsUnbannable

It's definitely going to ZERO this time!