UX

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > ​ > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > ​ > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > ​ > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > ​ > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

SunliMin

HIVE is similar. They've been doing it since before 2018 (that's when I started using it), and it legit works so well. The problem with HIVE is not the user experience, it's the developer experience. They now have their own L2's with smart contracts, and it works pretty well, but that's what the L1 experience lacks. For UX, it's amazinggg

SunliMin

Honestly, this type of UX issue is what I love looking at HIVE for. It's the equivalent of merging ENS with your address. You have private key(s) to control your account, but rather than a public address, on signup you register a human readeable handle as your address. So when I send something to laserglare, I literally would put as the recipient "@laserglare" rather than 0x1c44E1fc87FBD6153e075B245136F8503b423922. I love ENS, but it's opt-in, costs gas fees to setup, and its not a replacement for addresses, it's just a way to resolve an address from a human readeable name. Support for it in wallets is subpar and will never be quite good enough.

one-parzival

Similar concept to: Low Level Programming > High Level Programming > Drag and Drop websites. As we progress UX driven solutions will surely pop up.

PelosisPortfolio

Echoing a couple answers I've seen here: making Lightning UX easier and decentralizing mining. These things are imperative in my uneducated idiot opinion.

doctor-crypto

Thanks for the help. It's insane how bad the UX is, almost as if they are doing it on purpose...

neosBentSpoon

Primal has a great UI and UX in general but they need to drop the KYC on the built-in wallet.

the_lone_unlearned

Yeah but not just UX also LN infrastructure, with the UX wrapping around that infrastructure in super simple way. Download app, click a button and sign in to bank to link bank account, click a button to transfer fiat to bitcoin and open up LN channels, walk into a store and pay with LN within seconds. And handle all channel issues automatically behind the scenes. The only annoying thing with LN is the inability to receive more than you have capacity for. More a problem for merchants, but still users will have to have a little bit of knowledge of LN to understand that they can't have more than they put on it. Though I know there are service workarounds for this so if those were like some super cheap monthly fee to have plenty of excess capacity lent to you so you never have to worry about that one LN quirk that'd work too, but still people would have to be willing to either pay for that service or understand they have to add capacity to receive more than they've put in.

Street_Worry_1435

Once the UX for lightning gets streamlined there will be nothing stopping it from taking over completely. There is still plenty of work left to be done but the L2 is there and it’s functional. It’s somewhat complicated but it won’t be for long

throwawayAFwTS

Multiple big companies have tested hundreds of chains, SOL isn’t special, cry all you want bud but banks of all things aren’t going to adopt SOL, specifically due to its unreliability and multiple failed transactions, imagine how bad of a UX that would be if a bank adopts it and its users has failed transactions often. They would lose business, SOL is just a meme chain and that’s all it would be, it has no serious use case

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > ​ > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > ​ > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

Duncle_Rico

>im doing this to show you that listing Eth Sol & BNB current marketcaps means jack shit as an argument to what I stated >‘this is why solana took over’ it is performing the same as ethereum in terms of growth by marketcap, flipping many of ethereums daily/weekly metrics more often, & the UX on solana is simply just better lol with this logic, a random shitcoin that went from $0.000001 to $0.000500 with a 10 dollar market cap out performs all of them combined and has 'taken over'. Let's look at which ecosystem is the largest? Surely if SOL took over it would be used more and have more value, right? Ethereum Total value within ecosystem $51,918,033,320 24hour trading volume $1,130,911,423 BNB Smartchain Total value within ecosystem $6,097,157,601 24hour trading volume $717,404,191 Solana Total value within ecosystem $4,020,035,748 24hour trading volume $1,065,780,565 Both of these chains are pipsqueaks in comparison to Ethereum still.

KuciMane

doesn’t matter, it’s all relative. even at it’s peak in that bear, solana is more than double that currently. if we go off of year 3 bullrun peaks even, ethereum went a bit over 100, solana tapped 80 im doing this to show you that listing Eth Sol & BNB current marketcaps means jack shit as an argument to what I stated ‘this is why solana took over’ it is performing the same as ethereum in terms of growth by marketcap, flipping many of ethereums daily/weekly metrics more often, & the UX on solana is simply just better lol

swampjester

Umbrel has a more slick UX, but Start9 is better designed from a reliability and privacy perspective.

HesitantInvestor0

They are just predictions and you're right that they're more or less out of thin air. At the same time, a million bucks per BTC is not outrageous by any means. From a supply perspective, everything is known. We can view energy trends and extrapolate with some degree of accuracy. We know the UI/UX attached to Bitcoin is being worked on by tons of companies. Inflation and debt persist, giving people a reason to do SOMETHING with their money. It's hard to make a case that demand won't go up from here. We know supply will continue going down. Debt will rise. The X factor is basically severe government regulation, which is a real threat. Otherwise, I don't think the path to a million over the next six years is any big deal.

Hitchie_Rawtin

> Why is it taking so long for mass adoption? Majority of people don't trust it and believe every negative thing they read. It's generally fiddly to use. Most of the people buying don't even use it. Most projects don't actually do anything. Of the ones that are useful it might be 1 out of 1000 coins and the shills for the other 999 coins are vexed that anything other than their own project's price would go up so you have a lot of noise shitting on useful projects - this is very important in the equation: instead of the larger group wanting crypto as a whole to succeed, the "participants" want their specific bags to succeed and every other project can get fucked. Think about the game changing Web 2.0 projects that gained massive traction (for better or worse - the debate isn't about how evil they are, it's about how they gained traction). Google. Gmail. Wikipedia. Facebook. Twitter. Spotify. Netflix. What did they all do? They removed friction. Cryptocurrencies 99.999% of the time introduce friction via UI/UX directly at the point of onboarding.

benhammy

Bitcoiners forget (or may not know) that 6-10 years ago, major businesses DID try to accept retail bitcoin. There was an initial hype phase where all sorts of businesses set up basic methods to receive payments in bitcoin. And then when Bitcoin’s volatility reared its head, a lot of people were unprepared and felt like they’d been scammed. Plus all of the adoption issues we’re still figuring out were even more rudimentary back then: how to save/secure it, offloading it when you need capital, taxes, how to play nice with the gov’t, etc. Most companies did not understand how nascent bitcoin was, and there’s a generation of people who remember being burned by “that Bitcoin thing” and those people are now making even bigger decisions for their companies. So it makes sense why they’re hesitant to jump back in. My prediction is that (assuming interest rates go down and companies have cheap capital again) we might see a pattern of established enterprise companies/banks who decide to buy Bitcoin startups that are proving a successful MVP. Examples: Samsung buys Foundation Devices. Google buys mempool.space. Fidelity buys Swan. Shopify forks off from BTCPayServer or takes it under their development team for major updates. Amazon buys Voltage. Those kinds of acquisitions can take a proven company and make it more broadly available to the rest of an enterprise ecosystem. Google and Amazon have been doing this for years. Next thing you know, you’re seeing much more streamlined versions of the apps/Btc ecosystem we use now but integrated into other UX patterns you’re used to seeing in your normal life. Unfortunately, I also see this as an attack vector. Google, Apple, and Amazon have the cash to buy up every bitcoin startup and stifle their efforts or kill the projects entirely. All it takes is the right kind of incentives from the US Government and you could set back the development of Bitcoin-adjacent projects significantly. Adoption is slow, and generally I think that’s okay. The most organic way to get companies to adopt bitcoin into their internal operations and infrastructure will be for Bitcoin to keep tick tocking next blocking, and eventually companies will realize that they should have bought some bitcoin years ago, and they should be introducing Bitcoin rails into their products ASAP.

HornedBrigade

Yes, fun fact: this is called UX

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > ​ > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > ​ > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

Mattie_Kadlec

IMO the biggest problems in Web3 now are UX and low/fragmented liquidity. While multichain compatibility can’t do much for UX right now, it will allow non-EVM chains to communicate with other blockchains, meaning that liquidity could start flowing between them. This would make all liquidity in crypto accessible on almost all blockchains.

Trade_on_Moby

1. Moby offer differentiate values for Trader and Liquidity Provider Specifically for options trader, we provide narrowest spreads through innovative SLE(Syncronized Liquidity Engine) model, also top-tier UX/UI on par with platforms like Robinhood. Additionally, our 'Pay Less' feature demonstrates unparalleled capital efficiency compared to other protocols. This offers high APR returns for LP users at a lower risk. In essence, we are committed to delivering the best options trading environment. 2. As Moby is not a custodial service for options trading, users can manage their funds directly while conducting transactions on Moby. Once a wallet is connected and USDC is approved, users are free to start trading.

Trade_on_Moby

1. As it has been only about a month since launch, there are no directly compatible protocol contracts. we plan to offer APIs and engage in various collaborations with affiliates, so we believe next step will not take long. Our goal is to become a central infrastructure and standard in the on-chain options field, similar to the Eigen Layer in the LST sector, as we can interface with various DeFi Options Vaults and structured products. 2. When traders sell options using their underlying assets as collateral, the platform immediately pays for the option sales and holds the collateral assets within the contract. Users can reclaim their collateral assets upon settlement, depending on the payoff. Additionally, positions can be closed at any time through the Close function. 3. At now, we do not offer these features. The functionalities seem more suited to spot and perpetual trades rather than options trading, and therefore, they are not our highest priority at the moment. However, in the long term, we plan to introduce various features, including those you mentioned, to enhance user convenience and facilitate smoother tradings. 4. Of course, we are ready to offer a variety of Altcoin Options. 5. The Grant from Arbitrum Foundation symbolizes the market’s genuine need for pioneering services that bring unprecedented value to the ecosystem; Short -term perspective Moby aims to become the market-meta-driving protocol for on-chain options in 2024 as did GMX for on-chain perpetual futures in 2021 Moby is bring the following differentiate values to the market: - Radically reduced trade cost and Greeks risk with Dynamic Spread Model - Internally developed options pricing and SLE (Synchronized Liquidity Engine) - On-chain structured products & RWA applicability - Unparalleled capital efficiency (\~ 180X higher compared to existing DEXs) - No liquidation at ultra high leverage (\~1,000X) 6. Other financial assets like stocks are not our highest priority as altcoins and other crypto assets. However, if there is significant demand in the long term, we plan to support them as well. We keep an eye on the RWA (Real-World Assets) sector. 7. We are currently development, targeting completion within this quarter. In addition to supporting a mobile version, we plan to add and improve various UX/UI features for user convenience.

Trade_on_Moby

2. Moby offer differentiate values for Trader and Liquidity Provider Specifically for options trader, we provide narrowest spreads through innovative SLE(Syncronized Liquidity Engine) model, also top-tier UX/UI on par with platforms like Robinhood. Additionally, our 'Pay Less' feature demonstrates unparalleled capital efficiency compared to other protocols. This offers high APR returns for LP users at a lower risk. In essence, we are committed to delivering the best options trading environment. Why you dont use a platform that offers the best prices and the most convenience?

HedgeHog2k

I don't understand the need for physical ATMs in a digital world... why would I travel to such an ATM...? just have a good (lightning)wallet app that allows you to topup your wallet from your local payment methods and you achieve the same. In theory whatever you see here on the screen could just be a website you go to... let competition thrive and the one with the lowest fees / best UX will win. These ATMs are just a waste of resources.

trungngo7799

What features does Moby offer in terms of UI/UX and real-time accurate pricing modules, and how do these features enhance user experience? What impact does Moby anticipate on the crypto asset market as more TradFi institutions enter and require structured products to manage large funds securely? How does Moby plan to standardize on-chain options and other applications like structured products to meet institutional demand?

Inthewirelain

Hence my first post saying it's all down to UX but you argued and disagreed, now you're just trying to backtrack. The entire discussion was about not using exchanges and I asked you what the difference was if they both came out today and you still argued. But I'll take this as you admitting that no, there is no functional difference if it came out tomorrow and that your 90 y/o Gran doesn't understand the mechanisms of cashing a cheque once the bank takes it or using a card once the terminal has connected to VISAs network.

Striking-Tap-7109

The answer is the infrastructure. That’s why crypto sucks, you either have horrible UX and no protections, or you rely on unrelated exchanges that inevitably blow up.

Inthewirelain

What about a credit card makes it easier other than the infrastructure is more entrenched? What about fiat specifically makes it easier if they both came out tomorrow? What prevents a credit card from using crypto instead of fiat for settlement? When you use a card, you're essentially swapping VISA/MasterCard/whatever tokens until it gets settled in fiat weeks later. No physical cash or precious metals change hands when your grandmother uses her card. There is no functional difference. It's just as difficult to manually craft a SWIFT payment and broadcast it, any financial system not abstracted away in UX will be complicated.

Inthewirelain

Been buying things with crypto for over a decade, it's pretty painless tbh if you manage to avoid block size war chains, really it's just the on ramping from fiat<>crypto that sucks. Even P2P exchanges it's not that bad other than the fact you usually have to have the smallest semblance of a conversation with someone (which is how most commerce was done for most of history really). I'm sure people will mention scam contracts and stuff but that's largely a UX problem and not chains people would really use for P2P cash, everyday people anyway. If you get paid in crypto it's really not that painful to spend crypto, assuming the vendor takes it

Odd_Monk_132

Envoy is worse than everything because it lacks basic wallet features and has bad UX flow. Nunchuck supports all hardware wallets. It also splits keys and wallets into separate parts, which is a better model. Nunchuck supporst instant hot-wallets, multi-sig and lots of other features.

jtrom1010

Chicken or the egg, eh? However, obviously neither of us could be correct, but I don't know if I fully agree with your thesis. I don't know how much more real world adoption we could truly expect for BTC at this point. I definitely think market cap will go up long term, I think **more** people will get into it, but I think between participation and normie awareness BTC is out of milestones for "adoption" unless your definition of that is using it as an official currency. I also don't think it's about elevating current projects into top 100 blue chips or anything like that. I just think tradfi and tech getting into the space will **create** those projects. Let's use Ondo and Render as an example (not holding bags of both, just good examples here). Even if they don't end up as legacy blue chips, let's say tradfi hops into Ondo's use case, and tech/SaaS/creatives hop on to Render's. You've naturally created B2B demand (and I think the B2B component is more important than more retail or more institutions). All of a sudden you have far reaching adoption implications, and you also create a market where more legit players are incentivized to join the space, and more legit VCs are interested in funding it. That natural competition, on top of the progress we're getting from the Bases and Solanas, would theoretically help solve the usability obstacles. While I don't disagree that accessibility is the biggest roadblock overall, I'd still argue that it doesn't matter as much from a pure retail sense. Think of all the counterintuitive, even complex SaaS systems that businesses use now. Many of them aren't even prohibitively difficult, they're just a very specific use case and require training when employees join a new company. Given the upleveling of Dapps and just UX across the space, I don't think it's unrealistic to expect a similarly realistic learning curve if blockchain tech gets adoption. **Tl;dr I think BTC is far off its potential market cap but adoption is less a thing. B2B entry into the space just requires a good use case and that will cascade from there, for better or worse.**

Adventurous_Meat4582

Not too mention blockchain does not have the ability to store, index and workflow huge amounts of data and images to make any usable sort of UX. All that's stuff needs to run through tightly controlled servers.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

Halo22B

Don't use Core, it's not 2011 there are lots of better choices from a UX perspective. Try Sparrow or Electrum on PC. Blue Wallet on mobile

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

Alfador8

I'll watch it when I get a chance. I agree with everything you're saying. I just find the UX with RoboSats so much better than Bisq.

Sudden_Agent_345

a wallet is a UX/UI solution to send and receive bitcoins.. so yeah wallet is ok....

0ne_too

Compared to what? Lots of ppl love IBC and the apps like osmosis and kujira and stars and easily moving assets around Cosmos(lots of other apps but not going to name them all) Eth and Sol got us beat on users and tvl but not much else. Not cardano, dot, algo or any of the old chains. Not Aptos or Sui or any of the non eth new chains. I'd argue our UX is better than all those I named minus Sol. I'm also counting all connected IBC chains as one in regards.to tvl and users.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

Sohailk

we aren't? UX has almost certainly improved: lower fees, faster settlement, account abstraction, sponsored gas fees, semi-custodial options...the list goes on. 5 years ago we barely even had mobile wallets.

Sohailk

i mean, yeah obviously the crypto UX isn't ready for mainstream yet. but we're getting there? just compare where we're at vs 5 years ago? the point is that the promise of a crypto system is better than the existing one that relies on intermediaries. side addendum: why are you even on this sub if you don't believe in the future improvement of crypto?

bitusher

>Coinbase to this private seller is probably what caused this? yes > Would a hot wallet suffice to avoid the issue Yes, everyone should have a hot wallet to spend and replace from I would choose Blockstream green because : 1) It has a ton of features like RBF fee bumping , TOR , multiple accounts , 2fa , multisig , and using your own full node. Any wallet that lacks RBF fee bumping should be avoided 2) It is well peer reviewed, smaller attack surface , open source , and has reproducible builds https://walletscrutiny.com/android/com.greenaddress.greenbits_android_wallet/ 3) It has a non custodial lightning wallet built in for instant confirmations for a penny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtMXsJxx1X0 4) Its very easy to use and has a nice UX https://blockstream.com/green/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DesN85bWmGA >Bitcoin from Coinbase wallet Coinbase non custodial toshi app ? Thats one of the worst choices

BookieOnFoodStamps

Lot of the ui/ UX blows. Should get exponentially better with time. Checkout Magic Eden .io (will need an xverse wallet) just have a little patience

Fun_Excitement_5306

You can't replace something by matching it (not that ETH +Ls does actually match the tradfi UX...), there is way too much inertia. You have to beat it, you have to outdo by an order of magnitude.

pimptee

Witherblock here, our accounts got banned by reddit, so we are using this one now: With our Stryke rebrand/evolution we have a ton of new planned functionalities to build a more efficient crosschain options platform enabling users to trade Options from any chain, improving the trader UX. Our new token and governance derivative token is fully crosschain compatible (currently powered via LayerZero) allowing users to take part in the protocol ecosystem from any chain. We also have plans to implement neat features like Limit orders (via offchain signing) and Permit2 to enable more seamless use of the platform bringing us ever closer to centralized exchanges in terms of UX. Finally for the developer community with our new revamped tokenomics for SYK we have introduced a grant program (which will begin very soon) where 10% of the yearly inflation of SYK is directed. This grant program will be used in order to help developers build on top of us, supporting community-driven projects and innovation within the ecosystem.

witherblock_stryke

With our Stryke rebrand/evolution we have a ton of new planned functionalities to build a more efficient crosschain options platform enabling users to trade Options from any chain, improving the trader UX. Our new token and governance derivative token is fully crosschain compatible (currently powered via LayerZero) allowing users to take part in the protocol ecosystem from any chain. We also have plans to implement neat features like Limit orders (via offchain signing) and Permit2 to enable more seemless use of the platform bringing us ever closer to centralized exchanges in terms of UX. Finally for the developer community with our new revamped tokenomics for SYK we have introduced a grant program (which will begin very soon) where 10% of the yearly inflation of SYK is directed. This grant program will be used in order to help developers build on top of us, supporting community-driven projects and innovation within the ecosystem.

0xIlmari

The UX is actually great, because most of these wallets open channels on the fly, you just have to accept a fee. Imagine having to actually find a channel partner before being able to accept payments. And not everyone needs to have their own channel.

Itslittlealexhorn

>shitty centralized L2s that are a nightmare for users to use. ... what? How are Arbitrum or Optimism a "nightmare" to use? You can send funds for a fraction of a cent, you can interact with smart contracts for a few cents, you can bridge fairly cheaply between L2s, send it to a CEX to trade there, you can borrow or lend funds on AAVE for basically no cost... the UX is awesome. The security is not as bulletproof as ETH L1, but it doesn't need to be. "Shitty centralized" really just means you picked up some buzz words and have no idea what you're talking about. Yes many L2s are centralized to an extent, but that's only relevant for liveness of the L2 chain, meaning the worst that could happen would be the chain shutting down and having to recover your assets through L1 transactions. The security of your funds doesn't depend on some trusted authority. The ETH L2 paradigm is as close to a solution to the trilemma as currently exists. I'm not an ETH maxi, I own BTC, SOL and everything else. I'm just seeing that currently ETH is working really well.

frozengrandmatetris

this whole "I got mine, fuck you" attitude is not productive. we can't brag about having opened channels when it was randomly cheap to do so. just look at yourself. the UX of what you describe is atrocious. and just imagine what would happen if more people wanted to open channels. it would never be cheap again.

obeywasabi

I was working on a self-hosted personal finance dashboard, there are a few out there but most don’t support cryptocurrencies, it would aggregate all of your finances in one spot and had a bunch of other features planed but i took a break from it cause i’m terrible at UI/UX design lol

MagicCookiee

We don’t have the tech yet. Lightning has still many unsolved UX barriers for both businesses and end users. (Unless you go Custodial and lose half of the properties of what makes Bitcoin unique)

99Beers

I am a user and I believe in the next 3-5 years the narrative will shift from infrastructure to apps. Instead of people talking about Solana vs Ethereum, it will be people talking about ABC app. This may or may not help you /u/banksied but look at Merkle dot Trade. It's an perps trading app built on Aptos where users can trade Crypto, Memes, Forex including Gold and Silver. But focusing on UX, users can trade and connect using either an Aptos wallet or EVM wallet (including the L2s) - the app creates an Aptos wallet for the users. This to me is the future. Wallets go to the background and users don't have to sign every transaction.

CryptoDad2100

The major exchanges already have made it about as easy as it can be. Are you implying you can do better? "Onboarding" as you call it is not limited by UX, it's limited by regulations and dealing with real $.

RogusBeef

I noticed the same, especially sad to see how few people are using DeFi and how the big majority has to default to centralized exchanges due to UX. I bookmarked this project recently that I thought looked interesting, not sure if they’re hiring though. www.thane.zone

jekpopulous2

You keep asking “when” and the answer is that it’s already built. Arbitrum alone is capable of 40k TPS and that’s just one of about 50 rollups that have already been deployed. Ethereum can already do hundreds of thousands of TPS on L2. The problem isn’t throughput anymore... it’s fragmentation. Solana’s current strength is in its unified execution environment and SVM... it’s a better UX. You’re also thinking about this the wrong way. Antony himself has said that he would like eventually to see Solana publish zk proofs to Ethereum and become a validium. The two chains serve totally different purposes. One was built for execution and one was built for settlement. They’re more complimentary than in competition but people in this sub don’t like to acknowledge that.

ominous_anenome

Hi everyone. I changed ccmoons.com to point to the new moons website I’ve been working on recently (in part because of the Twitter raid users on r/cryptocurrencymoons are planning) My goals were: - Better UI/UX - More user-friendly to those that don’t know about moons - Better as a moons landing page - Remove features that were almost never used I do plan to reintroduce some of the older features over the next few months. Let me know if you have suggestions or comments!

BashCo

You're right that it ultimately doesn't matter, but in the short term it enables scammers and degrades UX for legitimate users.

puffman123

Cold card waste of $. Go seed signer or foundation passport. Both use QR codes. Seed signer way cheaper and better UI. Foundation passport better UI UX and better support. And better quality IMO

puffman123

Seed signer and foundation passport. Jade workflow isn’t great and product feel is cheap. Cold card UI UX sucks and they’re overpriced.

parttimeschizo

Convenience almost always wins over superior tech. This is why SOL overtook ADA. I still have my ADA bag, but I haven't followed its development for a while to be honest. Is there any reason to believe their terrible UX (and DX) has improved or will improve in the future?

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

Jacked_1

Edited previous post to Bisq2. Bisq2 is easy, Robosats is also easy. I assume anyone investing is Bitcoin is doing so because they've done their research as they should. Anyone that understands Bitcoin is willing to put the effort into understanding the need for no-KYC, and thus to put in whatever effort might be necessary. Open source, verifiable software is the same reason you use Bitcoin instead of blindly trusting banks - Nothing guarantees you that when you put in your PII (such as your bank account in Peach), it isn't being saved onto some remote server to be cross-referenced at a later date. Given how far we've come in terms of UX in the past, say, 10 years in the Bitcoin ecosystem, Bisq2 and Robosats are modern UXs, simple to use and understand with most/all technical aspects one doesn't need to understand to be a standard hodler, having been abstracted away under the UI.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

kogmaa

Now you are inviting me to shill ;) Got to do your own research.. I like Cardano - good UX, cheap, secure and certainly legit. There are others that I hear are good: Algo and cosmos for example, I’m sure you’ll find more if you search a bit. Messari is a good source of info to check tokenomics and stuff to see which projects are legit. Ah, regarding that: look up jaredfromdiamond for Ethereum.

Kumomax1911

Ethereum is not slow and expensive. It's roughly 2x to 3x the price to transact as Solana. They believe rollups are the only way to infinitely scale web 3, and will improve UX later with tech such as shared sequencing. Solana has proven to be the best monolithic chain with their implementation of parallel processing, and their "move fast break things" approach was able to capture a lot of Ethereum's market that required high speed transactions such as trading. The only threat to this market fit is a chain with the potential to use sharding to infinitely scale a single state machine. We haven't seen anything that can do this yet while staying fully decentralized and reaching millions of tps. Neither is a scam, and Solana is not crumbling. Solana is moving forward with early implementation of some of their Firedancer tech to deal with the slowdowns. There's nothing scammy with networks attempting to become a decentralized Internet.

aminok

Yep, Ethereum's UX was quite rough around the edges before the development of L2s.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

Boogyin1979

The new Mutiny + with NWC is like Venmo for Bitcoiners. Super slick. I get zaps < 200,000 sats right to a Fedimint and can withdrawal right away with ultimate privacy. > 200,000 goes right to lightning. Phoenix and Aqua are also dead simple with great UX.

Jacked_1

Sure! Layers are obviously to be abstracted by UX over time, so it's always blurring, but just as we consider Lightning as Layer 2 because it locks BTC in the form of channels in a multi-sig TX on L1, as an example the cashu ecash protocol for Bitcoin uses Lightning nodes to lock sats in mints, which can be considered L3 as it inherits most of the properties (read benefits) of Lightning but further improves on them, which users and then able to utilise, either freely within the mint as bearer assets, by sharing the mint as part of the TX, or by swapping sats from mint to mint over lightning. This also allows for offline TXing due to sats being bearer assets. Of course, there are trade-offs and of the things actively being looked at is custody - As it stands, unless each person runs their own mint, this is custodial (but better in almost every other sense as it's fully private, with bearer assets). Other implementations are the example of fedimint which uses community backed federated custody. These effectively solve all problems from Lightning custodial solutions. We're getting there!

Still_Theory179

It went down last 14 months ago homie. You can still land transactions, hundreds are going through every second, just gotta try a fee times. Not ideal but honestly still better UX than ETH

majorpickle01

Luckily I'm an ETH guy and only do some small sidebag shitcoining on Sol, but yeah Sol was great UX until the last few weeks and now the experience is bloody awful

TheExpensiveGoogle

Yup, main focus is UI/UX, making customers stick to your product. It's a race but it's exciting to see everything intersect

slightlyfaulty

Multisig, no seed phrases to worry about, great recovery options, simple UX. It does virtually everything better than traditional hardware wallets. The only real downside is the $150 price tag + shipping.

Awkward_Potential_

It's because even with these delays it's still a better UX than ETH.

coherentak

Well eth devs have been promising sub-cent fees since the beginning. UX is another issue. I had no issues with metamask for a long time. Took a break and tried out some other stuff then when returning to using metamask, couldn't believe how horrible it was. I don't think anyone has solved the blockchain issues enough to be mainstream. Some have made slight improvements (at the cost of something) but nothing ground breaking enough to justly take crown from eth. Solutions like Solana are not better. Imagine high frequency trading on the NYSE stopping because they have network issues.... or going to buy gasoline and you can't because VISA is down for days... Imagine not being able to access your funds because you can't run a node. What the point if you have to rely on someone else to access your funds or the network is so unstable that no one can use it? This is why I think there needs to be some type of layer 2s to handle scaling... and is precisely why we have VISA, mastercard, AMEX, etc. This model with the banks being on a layer 1 network and credit providers being the layer 2s is exactly what crypto is trying to recreate. The way VISA is able to settle millions of transactions for essentially 1-2% fees is by batching them into large chunks and settling up later on. Joining the base layer 2 or whatever may have taken you 50$ but it was probably not days to settle. IMO this is a vital thing the ecosystem needs to figure out. Do we want to be able to switch between VISA network, AMEX network etc in seconds, do we even need to, what price is acceptable for that? I keep money in my bank and if my AMEX card isn't accepted (doesn't have the use case I want) I can use another card. This doesn't charge me money because I never moved the money from my bank to AMEX to whatever else I have to use. All this stuff they will eventually settle on but I think the problem today is everything on crypto is largely speculative so people are willing to pay whatever to participate. What someone needs to do is figure out how to build the tech so that real use cases can happen. Then they can tweak the process and settlement to drive down costs. Until then, enjoy the casino clown show.

cpt_charisma

UX will improve over time, but whether people bother to learn it is more a function of whether they need to. If the dollar collapsed today, you can bet that millions of average people would suddenly care about nodes, channel management, on-chain fees and security. Right now, their credit card works just fine and is 'free.' If you want to improve adoption, you're probably better off focusing on financial education than complaining about the current state of software.

slightlyfaulty

It's a barely been out for a month. It sounds like it's not a wallet you want but simply mass adoption. There are technical and security concerns when it comes to self-custody. It's literally not possible to be like using Gmail and also be secure and self-custodial. It's still early days for Bitcoin and right now Bitkey is as good as it gets. Which is pretty damn good as far as self-custody goes. You do not need to be any more tech-savvy than being able to use an app on a phone and tap a device every once in a while that you keep in a drawer. If it's just the payment address UX you're trying to improve, this should probably be proposed as a BIP rather than a wallet so that any wallet can use it. Something similar was proposed recently here: https://delvingbitcoin.org/t/human-readable-bitcoin-payment-instructions/542

gigabyteIO

When the speculation ends, the technology will remain. I'm a long term investor, not a short term gambler and I invest based on fundamentals. I could be wrong, everyone is fallible. But from all the blockchains I've used and researched, Algorand has the best UX and technology. I'm okay being patient.

Severe-Blueberry9780

At a first glance, this seems like a legit thing sort of. It’s quite possibly that they’re creating a bitcoin mining company, and here’s even a video interview with one of the guys behind the project: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YTG0UX5Pk5s The video has the potential that it could be a deep fake. It does seem odd that he used an Indian YouTuber to interview him about this rather than someone local. There were some audio parts of the video where it went wonky, and it’s odd that the Indian guy seems to be promoting a parallel product to the new crypto mining operation. I looked up one of the other guys on the team, and he has an another interview from a year ago online. Both of these names appear to be public people, but none of their video interviews are recent about this. They’re three months old and a year old. Also, the perks assigned to the tiers don’t correspond to what’s promised in the body of the ad. The description says you’re buying shares, but the perk tiers don’t say anything about that. There’s also the reality that selling shares of a company through a platform like this is almost inevitably an SEC violation, so I would proceed with extreme caution. You could be very well funding someone else to start a mining operation for themselves, and they’ll kick you a tshirt for doing so, or it could be someone overseas bilking Americans.

jotunck

I'm probably the only Klaytn fan here in r/cc... So here goes: Disclaimer: Not financial advice, and yes KLAY is my 3rd biggest bag after BTC and ETH. It's relatively unknown in the western hemisphere, but it's massive in Asia. Klaytn was started by Kakao, one of South Korea's largest tech enterprises and has already achieved mass adoption in Korea. The Kakaochat messenger app is used by 96% of S Koreans and has a built in Klaytn wallet, which normies use for everything from dental implant NFT certificates to loyalty programs with major department stores. This is possible because Klaytn has had account abstraction and fee delegation since genesis in 2019. The South Koreans effectively view Klaytn as their nation's representative blockchain... Every major development Klaytn has makes mainstream media news in South Korea. There was a period Klaytn was called Korea's Ethereum by some in the community. It is also the fastest EVM equivalent L1, with transactions finalizing in average 2.1s which I thoroughly enjoy, makes transactions feel like Web2 which I personally feel is necessary for mass adoption. Normies aren't going to put up with "transaction pending please check back in a bit". This claim comes from the team running actual transactions on major EVM chains and measuring the latency, the code is on github so anyone can verify it is unbiased. It's actually faster than even Solana in terms of finality, which is more important for UX than TPS. Klaytn also recently passed a governance proposal to merge with Finschia, a Cosmos chain started by LINE which is the leading messenger app used by basically every Japanese and lots of people in Indonesia and a few other Asian countries. This means in the near future, the chain will have access to hundreds of millions of normies through the LINE and Kakao messenger apps. As Finschia is Cosmwasm and Klaytn is EVM, the new chain is planned to be compatible with both... which is massive. In terms of use cases, Klaytn has been pushing hard into gaming, RWAs and DeFi. The MarbleX gaming chain operated by Netmarble (you might know them for the Marvel mobile games) is a Klaytn side chain, and has massive IP games like King of Fighters and Ni no Kuni on chain. DeFi Kingdoms' Serendale realm is also on Klaytn. For RWAs, Klaytn has tokenized gold backed by the Korea Gold Exchange, US Treasury bonds, e-commerce accounts receivables, and recently announced that a ship financing project will be launching on chain too. Finschia on the other hand runs DOSI, one of Asia's biggest digital marketplaces that allow users to buy NFTs with tradfi like credit cards. IMO KLAY is horrendously undervalued for what the team has achieved and how large the ecosystem is. Okay end of shilling!

One_Boot_5662

Not being able to submit a transaction is horrible UX

nabitimue

Another strong narrtive is crypto Oracles. Solutions like Supra have been improving the UX of DeFi and increasing adoption.

HelixClipper

eUTXO ftw..same with Ergo, fixed fee super cheap solid and reliable. Ergo and Cardano could do with some work on its UX when it comes to simplification and ease of use for normies (ergo especially), but from txn side of things they are both light years ahead of sol and eth

cantreadcantspell

Wait, horrible UX? I've never used Solana, but everywhere I turn ppl way poetic about Solana's great UX and how Ethereum's UX is not fit for dogs.

antiwrappingpaper

You should realize that the two are not coincidentally occurring simultaneously... there's huge inefficiencies and centralization issues baked into a monolithic chain in order you give you the impression of that "smooth UX".... which implicitly has direct results like: <you can insert what SOL problems you want to list here>. If you could actually build and execute everything in a decentralized and efficient way (liveness & throughput) on a monolithic blockchain.... it would've already happened.

geppelle

I think we will even want no fees at all as we always see this: a crypto is expensive -> people move to a much cheaper one -> it gets some activity and becomes expensive too. With a feeless crypto, you know that this problem won’t come up. And it solves many questions about UX, dust, etc. It’s the way most of the internet works now: you don’t pay for your TCP requests as a user.

pok3ey3

I use every chain and solana has a really good UX (when transactions aren’t failing all the time) imo

One_Boot_5662

So Solana isn't very secure or stable, isn't decentralised, can't handle moderate user transaction volumes and has a horrible UX. Only in crypto could such a shit project be valued at $78 billion.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

tonto515

Y’all need to use Jupiter. Raydium’s UI/UX is a hellscape.

Berry_Jam

From last I read up on, Cash App, unfortunately doesn't work in Canada. A good alternative would be Strike which I think you can use in Canada. UX is not as clean but it's really easy to set up.

Buttcoinmodssuck

I have two Trezors. The T and Model One. I like both and haven’t had any issues with them. Software is easy to install and UX is easy to understand.

WE_THINK_IS_COOL

In the crypto space, privacy. It could take 10-20 years for the realization to happen, but sooner or later people will realize that putting financial data on public ledgers is a disastrous idea, and is totally antithetical to the early ethos around Bitcoin. Zcash has the best privacy technology, but the UX sucks (for now). Monero has better UX and more adoption but worse privacy (for now). Various private smart contract platforms also being developed. (inb4 "lightning network") Outside of crypto, IDK. If I had to bet on something it would be the continued discovery of new AI algorithms. The success of GPTs showed us that these kinds of algorithms need massive amounts of data and compute before they start hitting their stride. The space of all possible algorithms is so little explored that we're almost guaranteed to make crazy new discoveries that keep up the hype for investing in chips to experimentally find new algorithms. But the risk is time. There's a good chance that another "AI winter" will follow our recent success with GPTs and it will take 20+ years to find the next great algorithm, because there is so much black magic involved with making these algorithms work. What's possible in principle far exceeds the even current level of AI hype, but if it takes 50 more years to get there, that's a long time to wait.

CointestMod

#Ethereum Pro-Arguments Below is an argument written by Nostalg33k which won 2nd place in the Ethereum Pro-Arguments topic for a prior [Cointest](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_policy) round. > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Use-case driving value > > Ethereum is a very valuable Blockchain. This blockchain is driven by innovation and utility. To understand what makes Ethereum such a valuable eco-system we need to discuss the inner-working of Ethereum. > > # Introduction: Ethereum explained > > According to [Ethereum.org](https://Ethereum.org) : > > >What is Ethereum? > > Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money, global payments, and applications. The community has built a booming digital economy, bold new ways for creators to earn online, and so much more. It's open to everyone, wherever you are in the world – all you need is the internet. > > So the topic driving this discussion is badly worded. If we are discussing top coins then we should discuss Ether and not Ethereum. Since Ethereum is such an interesting ecosystem I will treat this argument as a pro Ethereum post. I'd love to see the discussion focused on Ether next time. > > Ethereum is not managed by a single entity nor managed by the Ethereum Foundation but is managed through a decentralized process explained [In their governance page](https://ethereum.org/en/governance/). > > Time for some metrics: Ethereum is currently trading north of 1750 $ and has a circulating supply of 122 millions ETH for a Market cap at around 218 billions > > Let's go back to the quote: "Ethereum is a technology that's home to digital money". This point is important. Ether is not the only coin which is using the Ethereum blockchain. A lot of value on the Ethereum Blockchain is not in Ether coins. This will be discussed further down. Ethereum is also home to global payment, so Ether and other cryptocurrencies can be used to settle transactions between P2P in a permissionless way. > > Applications called Dapps exist on the blockchain. We are going to discuss all of these aspects. We are also going to tackle NFTs on the Ethereum Blockchain. > > Ethereum is also completed by L2s. These are going to be mentioned. > > Ethereum has been switched from POW to Asic resistant POW to POS. These are going to be discussed. > > &#x200B; > > # Ethereum: Home to digital money. > > Ethereum strength is that the blockchain is home to many cryptocurrencies. If gas fees are paid in Ether, many tokens have billions circulating in the Ethereum ecosystem. A quick look at Etherscans reveal how strong the ethereum ecosystem is. > > According to [EtherScan](https://etherscan.io/tokens) the blockchain has 40 Billions $ in USDT, 46 Billions in USDC and 7 Billions $ in Wrapped BTC. The market cap of Ether may be around 200 billions but the on chain value of assets in the Ethereum Blockchain is far higher. > > All of these USDT and USDC are stablecoins which can be used for transactions. In fact, it can be used for P2P transaction in a permissionless way but also to buy stuff from businesses. [Here is a list of business accepting USDT (which exists in the Ethereum blockchain)](https://nowpayments.io/blog/businesses-accepting-tether) and [Here is a list of business accepting directly Ethereum](https://www.analyticsinsight.net/top-10-companies-accepting-ethereum-as-a-payment-method-in-2022/) > > These classical transactions are not the only use of the Ethereum Blockchain: Dapps and NFT are also thriving ! > > # Ethereum: Home to dapps and NFTs > > Ethereum is home to a lot of different applications: Marketplaces, exchanges, defi, wallets, games... > > These application are different because they are called dapps: > > >A decentralised application (DApp,\[1\] dApp,\[2\] Dapp, or dapp) is an application that can operate autonomously, typically through the use of smart contracts, that run on a decentralized computing, blockchain or other distributed ledger system.\[3\] > > [Wikipedia Dapps](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_application) > > To give a glance to these dapps you can head to this website tho be wary of the first dapp listed being an advertisement for shady businesses (I haven't found a better website to source dapps) [Here you go](https://dappradar.com/rankings/protocol/ethereum/1) > > While I don't believe in the current state of NFT technology being viable (See my write up in favor of NFT speaking about the future of this technology), we have to take into account that even after losing 60% of their value there is still 3 Billions USD in NFTs in the Ethereum Blockchain [Source](https://cointelegraph.com/news/ethereum-nft-collections-lost-nearly-60-of-their-market-cap-in-2022-report) > > # Ethereum: Layers of goodness. > > Ethereum can be a bit expensive for people, this is why it was layered. There are side chains existing just to be cheaper than Ethereum while offering bridges to and from Ethereum. For example Polygon. > > >Polygon is a Layer-2 scaling solution created to help bring mass adoption to the Ethereum platform. It caters to the diverse needs of developers by providing tools to create scalable decentralized applications (dApps) that prioritize performance, user experience (UX), and security. > > So if you want to be able to evaluate Ethereum you need to go and read about the biggest layer 2 pro and cons. > > [A small list of Ethereum layer 2 given by Ethereum.org](https://ethereum.org/en/layer-2/) > > # Ethereum: Evolve to thrive > > Ethereum has been a rapidly evolving ecosystem. It has seen the evolution of mining from GPU to Asic. In order to not become reliant on Asic mining, Ethereum was made Asic resistant. This created other problems: A pressure on the GPU market but also a concern for energy efficiency. In order to improve the footprint but also reduce the fees, Ethereum was made to transistion from POW to POS. Proof of stake is a protocol in which you need to stake coins to run a node in the network. > > This shows an ability to look ahead and to tackle challenges. > > # Conclusion: Ethereum is a rapidly evolving ecosystem which has a lot of value in it. Since Ether is their native coin, all of this impacts Ether's value. > > This is where we go back to the TOP COIN aspect of this write up. Everything I have said has an impact on the value and use of Ether. If you believe in the future of the Ethereum Blockchain, you can go ahead and look a bit more into Ether. If you don't believe in the Ethereum Blockchain then you should try to find a competitor. > > Just know that Ethereum is trying to become deflationary and that their economic outlook seems on par with good cryptos. > > Ethereum is one of the techs of the future and this essay has shown some of the most important aspects of it. > > Have fun ! ***** Would you like to learn more? [Click here](/r/CointestOfficial/comments/100p71b/top_coins_ethereum_proarguments_january_2023/) to be taken to the original topic-thread for this argument or you can scan through the [Cointest Archive](/r/CointestOfficial/wiki/cointest_archive#wiki_Ethereum) to find arguments on this topic in other rounds.

PhaseClear9031

I started looking at the Mac desktop version. Pretty interesting, I like the UX. If I combine keys to make a Multisig, does each utxo in the wallet have to get rolled for each key in the Multisig? Or just once per “period”?  The idea generally then is a key, stand-alone or of a quorum can come online to share sign transactions as long as timelock stops being refreshed? Does the refresh involve me doing anything manually? UX is good but I can’t find answers for questions like this on the website, the app, the blog, Reddit, or twitter. Although I haven’t checked the Telegram app yet. It seems a bit odd how hard it is to find a run down of how it technically works but for beginners.