AGI

PurposeFew1363

Oke But this AGI doesn't need power supply?

ElonMuskWasHere

You might want to read about AGI a bit more:)

ElonMuskWasHere

This president won’t be a human being. It will be a robot / AGI. MARK MY WORDS

Lv99Zubat

Just wait until AGI is invented in 2029, things are going to get weird. Best to own some BTC.

RemyVonLion

I might be considered reckless but I'm putting pretty much everything into btc (80%) and tech stocks, I feel like IRAs are dumb cause I might need that money and I don't want to pay a penalty just to withdraw it before I'm 59. If we don't have AGI funded abundance in 30 years then we'll have really fucked up anyway, and I feel like Bitcoin is a better investment.

SunnyLoo

Rose is AI/privacy L1/L2. Touted to be part of the recently filed greyscale privacy etf. It is to compliant privacy preserving blockchain that which Link is to providing reliable price oracles. It is currently being bought up in huge amounts by whales with a current average buy in cost in and around current price. It is the offspring of one of the brightest minds in computer science Dawn Song and tbh unless there’s a parabolic alt coin run it is likely to bleed to nothing like anything that isn’t bitcoin but I think in the next 5-10 years it will be worth a dollar or two at some stage as the market matures and the tripe gets absolutely obliterated. We are nowhere near that but legit companies like oasis labs are ready for the explosion ahead and I think it will come Companies like Ocean and AGI need protocols like Oasis just like cars need roads, what use is a car without a road?

sgtslaughterTV

There's probably quite a few people who would do the same as outlined in this manifesto for equally dumb reasons. Fossil fuels destroying our planet. Microplastics ending up in everything we eat and drink. AI, LLM, and AGI not being regulated strictly enough. Allowing citizens of not-so-friendly-countries buying plots of land in America that are close to US military bases. A war or two that a US citizen doesn't want America involved in. The present immigration situation in America at the US-mexico border. "Election Fraud" and similar ideas around it. I don't want to promote a circle-jerk or get us all locked into an echo-chamber, but the people in /r/bitcoin do sufficiently warn people not to invest wrecklessly. I'll ask the other moderators if we should do more to inform users not to do the same in /r/cryptocurrency.

RemyVonLion

Without a global technocracy, we won't be able to unite our goals and regulations to guide AGI towards an optimal outcome/experience for us/everyone, if we just continue funneling all resources into absolute power, we will likely just be consumed and go extinct like our ancestors.

TenshiS

as long as men have big ambitions, nothing like this or communism will work. Only systems that follow a power struggle can stabilize and survive for longer periods of time. Only thing we can do it split the resulting power into multiple pieces. Perhaps in the future we will give all the power to someone who remains undefeated in any power struggle, like a superhuman AGI.

j13409

My bags are largely stacked already but I’ve added some positions in AIOZ, AKT, SOL, PERC, AGI and KOMPETE. I was tempted to add more to SUPER since it’s my best performer so far, but it already makes up 27% of my portfolio (despite only 5% of my investment cash going into it - it’s just grown that much) so I figured it would be good to add more to my smaller bags for better diversity.

RemyVonLion

My priority right now is taking care of immediate necessities like my teeth, car, an online job (I currently only work 16 hours a week at a shitty job for $14/hr, I don't have a penny of spending money, everything goes to necessities now), cleaning my room, then studying computer science to contribute to AGI before it becomes too late to have any relevance, and at my retarded learning rate, I have no time to waste. I'm also good at losing things. I'm a bit scared of having self custody of all my savings on a tiny device that can get damaged or lost.

RemyVonLion

I think the majority of money is being invested in AI because AGI/ASI should be able to fix the struggle for survival along with the rest of our problems, including death by natural causes, meaning each individual's life will have far more value than a finite one.

falsomovimento

VANRY, RSS3, AGI, VRA, RIO, ATR Basically some of AI/RWA coins that I missed the pumo last time. Nice to get a secind chance 🙂

ianyboo

Dude, the future is going to be ***bonkers*** and nobody, ***nobody*** is ready. I'm fully expecting singularity levels of crazy in the next 5 years. AGI, no... A***S***I is going to slam into humanity like a relativistic kill missle. Nobody is prepared and it's going to be wild :D

Bitcoin_To_The_Moon_

1) the timeline is way too optimistic. and i think AGI will use BTC as a tool to interact with cyberspace. 2) be optimistic

malceum

There won't be decentralized AGI because of the money and resources required to make it.

Expo24816

If there is decentralized AGI it's going to be controlled by a few corporations? There will be corporations trying to control it but it will become decentralized. People are already working on to make it decentralized now.

Expo24816

What commodities would be scarce, gold? But why would you need gold if everything produced is super cheap? Oil? We won't need oil. Corn, sugar? Those wouldn't be scarce. But that's the whole point of my post, either outcome could mean people are wasting their time now stacking BTC. I wouldn't dwell on the past either but I wouldn't want to waste my time now until then. Technology makes things cheaper and cheaper over time and in an AGI or ASI world things would become extremely cheap, that's what makes me think people would be able to get pretty much whatever they wanted. The age of abundance.

malceum

AGI would be controlled by a few corporations, who could charge whatever they wanted for them.

Expo24816

It achieves zero consciousness understanding, that doesn't mean it doesn't figure anything out. What physical limitations will AGI have once it's incorporated into robotics that are also advancing exponentially? It advancing exponentially isn't some myth, its already happening. Also, AGI will eventually be able to program itself. Also, actual impossibilities like 2 plus 2 = 5 has nothing to do with what I'm talking about. Obviously there are things that are impossible and/or incorrect, like 2+2=5, but that wonts stop AGI becoming ASI and exponential advancement.

nirved

It does not figure out anything. It achieves zero understanding at current and projected technological levels. It cannot learn without outer help. In fact it cannot learn even with help. There's no learning at all there, just statistics. Let me enlighten you, "I" in AGI stands for Idiocy. Yes, Artificial General Idiocy, the greatest new tool. There's also other things you conveniently miss. The physical limitations - stuff grows exponentially, and then reaches breaking point, the exponent is gone. The mathematical limitations - there are things that just don't happen, no matter what. AGI wouldn't suddenly make 2+2=5. Furthermore AGI does not achieve anything. Humans make a tool, call it AGI, and achieve something with it. Or miserably fail.

NeitherAd3347

I created bitcoin on AGI in 2008. The older versions had no safety features like don't harm humans. Would just create anything you want. The new stuff won't even say anything harmful. Programmed to be useless

Expo24816

It would lead to more wealth inequality at first but once things become abundant and things only cost what the energy costs to produce it then on average everyone will be much wealthier than they are today. Imagine buying an IPhone for 2 dollars (in today's money, not inflation adjusted) Everyone in the field of AI know that AGI is coming for our jobs.

Expo24816

It figures things out that humans could never figure out. It already solved the protein folding problem that humans said would never be possible to solve and it solved it during its infancy. Imagine what it could do after years of exponential advancements. The exponential advancements get bigger and bigger as time goes on. Look at the last 100 years in technological advancements, it can accomplish things already in seconds that takes humans a lifetime. It's like the penny thing, double a penny everyday for 30 days and you'd have millions of dollars. AGI will be like this but to even more of an extreme. People making predictions during small steps in exponential advancement proved them wrong but people making predictions during the extreme steps of exponential advancement will also prove humans wrong.

Expo24816

It's funny how I'm getting automatic down votes from people when people can't explain something, this is herd mentality. I love BTC but I don't think people are able to understand AGI in exponential advancements and how the world would be totally different.

Expo24816

In this future first class will be available for everyone for cheap. If AGI leads to abundance then the only thing that BTC may be good for is things that are scarce, which would be like you said, beachfront property. Almost anything else besides land and beachfront property will be in abundance in this future and available to EVERYONE. So if everyone will be living good in this future without BTC then having as much fun as you can now instead of working hard to accumulate BTC may be more valuable than wasting time. And you made my point. Many people don't even care about BTC now, they would care about it and it would be much less useful in the future I'm talking about.

malceum

I don't think AGI is coming anytime soon, but let's say it does. I think it would lead to more wealth inequality and higher corporate profits. Basically, the same story as other technology. People would still likely have jobs for a long time, particularly those involving manual labor, since AGI and AGI robots will likely be expensive and require maintenance. Humans are cheap and maintain themselves. Bitcoin will probably do well in this scenario, as will most assets.

SomeAreLonger

Abundance that AGI created by getting trained on peoples work without compensating them?

Expo24816

BTC won't result in Utopia, but AGI could result in a Utopia and make BTC a lot less relavant than people may think. If there's a universal basic income and abundance then inflation won't be an issue. Also, the two extremes are the most likely outcomes with EXPONENTIAL advancement. These things are going to be millions of times smarter than us. The more you learn about AGI the more convinced you will become in a utopian or dystopian future.

Expo24816

If you understand AGI though and how fast it can advance exponentially then comparing those things to a future AGI is an astronomicaly huge false equivalence.

5tu

I thought it was common knowledge bitcoin was made by an AGI? :)

Expo24816

Once it goes from AI to AGI and the AGI is incorporated into robotics then those robots will not only be flawless humans, they will be so much times better than us in the things we already do. The big folds are coming in technological and AI advancement.

ABahRunt

Bitcoin is not an end all fix. It wont result in a utopia. It will possibly be a solution to issues like inflation, and reduce barriers to taking money across borders. But it wont fix more systemic problems like wealth concentration in the hands of a very few, or corruption. And you are looking at 2 extreme outcomes with AGI. The outcome will be somewhere in between: like how three internet did transform the world, but not to the extent of a dystopia or a utopia

Expo24816

It would come from all of the abundance and tax revenue that is created by the AGI. How does that sound like a world where people will own nothing when things will be created in abundance and will be super cheap? It BTC fixes that, then can you explain yourself instead of just making a random claim?

Responsible-Pomelo79

That’s really great to hear b/c I would just assume at this point that you/your family (future family) are going to need to managing when/how (lifestyle/goals) you retire. And if that’s not difficult enough, you’re also going to need to adjust (save more!) as advancements in technology, AGI and healthcare systems continue to push the average life expectancy where suddenly you have this 10 year gap to fill. US debt has reached a point where social security, Medicare services can no longer be sustained without government assistance (debt) and that’s the point where kicking the can will no longer be an option. I would highly reading Larry Finks annual client letter. He dedicates the first half to Retirement which ends with a section on hope. This is the wake up call that we needed. Keep in mind, that letter gets distributed to both the institutions as well as the plan investors. For example Blackrock currently manages 1/2 of the countries public school teachers. And those are the folks that are likely to push this message as a warning—don’t assume the government’s going to step in and bail you out when you’re expected to live to 100, 110. Who knows? Definitely worth reading and sharing. Just google it and you’ll get a link to the BR homepage. 🙏

Odd_Luck6482

I bought AGI in 2021.. 600% and counting

strings___

The Bitcoin hashing algorithm is essentially a double sha256 hash. I don't understand how you propose allocating that to GPUs but to train a LLM. That would require changing the hashing algorithm is that what you're proposing? Also don't buy into the marketing term AI. There is nothing about AI today that actually is intelligent. AGI is not actually a thing and we are so far off from general artificial intelligence. In short I don't see a LLM being a useful way to protect the network.

Ampup333

We don’t have quantum computers or AGI yet. So what would they be forking.

robeewankenobee

I assume it has to do with the ASI acronym. ANI - narrow intelligence AGI - general intelligence ASI - super intelligence Everyone is on board with this lineup ... Everyone will use these acronyms as AI passed each milestone.

Fedshmoker

I mean sure laugh if you want, but Ben from AGIX was already working on things like AGI and LLM in 2018 along with neural networks and had already thought of/explored/coined the ideas of Artificial General Intelligence and in his opinion Artificial Super Intelligence (A.I. that trains A.I. ) as early as the 1990s so it is a fitting name and he was on point with all of his predictions to date in 2024 from back then.

CadmusMaximus

True AGI and then ASI is "the great filter" for Bitcoin. Once you have an ASI, it could possibly set to work breaking the cryptography that secures Bitcoin. For example, it could perfect quantum computers and then use those to compromise the cryptography behind Bitcoin. That's why this might end up being "the last great cycle," depending on AI development speed and how it's aligned. But then the opposite is also true--if ASI sees utility in Bitcoin, it may secure it well beyond what we can do now, and use it for its own ends. So like someone wise said above, "I don't know shit about fuck."

BoomerGenXMillGenZ

Prediction markets are so fascinating, and they at least SEEM to be a great match for crypto. Imagine validated identities and validated prediction results, and companies compensating you for your opinions on things (campaigns, box office potential, etc etc etc). Sure, AGI/AI might be a threat to this, but putting that aside, it's an interesting space.

skorpyn

Not speculation-openly working on this per their official websites. Check out blog post on fetch.ai website. Also OP—RNDR, ARKM, AGI are my other bets besides these 3

SettyG123

How about this AI merger between FET, AGI and OCEAN? They’ll maintain being separate entities but work together

grndslm

How does that work if you also have a yearly salary of say, $60k AGI, as a single individual? Very confused how capital gains gets its OWN tax bracket, when there's other income to be considered. . . 

ConfidentJuice6481

I know about the Turing test. Everyone knows about the Turing test. But to say that because we still don't have AGI since he came up with the idea therefore bitcoin isn't failing is quite the leap. We nay never have and crypto will still be a failure.

ConfidentJuice6481

I don't lack thst understanding in the slightest. And framing that because we still don't have AGI yet is arbitrary and silly. AI is already widely and massively deployed in every aspect of modern lifebecause it is useful, and it's on a massive snowball growth curve that didn't start yesterday or even 10 years ago. It is only constrained by computing power and advancing understanding. Bitcoin and block chain is the opposite. We kniw how to do it. Everyone with a computer can use it. Yet it is going nowhere. Almost no one ever buys anything with it. And 80 years... Turing... Really? If you're going to count him as the start of ai then you have to count him as the start of crypto as well. Let's go back even further... Smelting... 5000 years ago... "where are our robot overlords!". Wtf. 

systembreaker

You lack understanding that development, engineering, software, or design is just as much a creative endeavour as it is a technical one. You don't just open up an open source project, furrow your brow, think take hard, snap your fingers, and have a completely new innovative technology. Artificial intelligence has been researched for close to 80 years if you count Alan Turning's work. It has taken 80 years to get to where we are now with AI, and we still don't have AGI yet (although that is on the horizon or may be here by the end of this year or next year).

reliable35

We have no idea… & that includes your assumption on the Alt coin cycle. Personally driven by the release of ChatGPT 5, SORA & the possibility of AGI within the next 18 months… AI alts coins will 🚀 RNDR - FET - AGIX - AKT - TAO & others.. will be the outstanding performers IMO

voice-of-reason_

Not right now it isn’t, but AGI which is the end goal, will make bitcoins energy usage look like an led lightbulb

0xDizzy

>We will know if Transformer architecture alone can get us to AGI once we have exhausted all forms of data modalities. No, we absolutely do not know that. That is pure wishful thinking.

0xDizzy

theres no such thing as species specific intelligence. A creature can either generalize about the world around it, and thus has general intelligence, the GI in AGI, or it doesnt. thats all there is to it. Your obsession with complex language being the only benchmark to test language misses the mark by miles

Glittering_Bill2039

Not sure what you mean by “every added factor is an exponential relationship problem” if you can rephrase it so I can understand than maybe I can share my thoughts on it. First of all, yes the concept of LLMs can absolutely scale to interpret audio, visual, tactile modalities and beyond. That’s precisely what the AI research is focused on right now, and there are already models that do exactly that with images, audio and video in academia, some even in commercial space. LLM is a text modality implementation of Transformer architecture, Transformers work with tokens, not texts, and any data can be encoded into tokens. We started with language because that was the lowest hanging modality. You can learn more about this in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1706.03762 Contrary to widespread misconception, LLMs aren’t “simply regurgitating words”, there is some amount of copy/paste going on, but same is the case with humans. LLMs architecture is designed to synthesise/generate, that’s where the “G” in GPT comes from (Generative Pre-trained Transformer), an example I like to cite is solving problems of adding two numbers. Can’t remember the exact figures, but there’s a subset of math problem LLMs can reliably solve without resulting to using code interpreter - something like adding two equal digit numbers or something, can’t remember the exact details - the cool part is that, while it’s only designed to predict the next word, all addition problems only have exactly one correct next word (number), and no matter how big you make the Neural Net’s parameter space, there’s infinite number of variations of addition problems, so it can’t just have an infinitely long “cheat sheet” that it can memorise to correctly respond to all these addition problems by just copy pasting, and it’s also unlikely that the Internet (or whatever else training data source is used) happens to contain infinite variations of all addition problems. Only way for LLM to be able to reliably predict the next word in this context is to actually understand how adding of two numbers work, and reason about the given problem. And while still very much imperfect, that’s the sort of behavior we are seeing in LLMs. If you want to learn more about this here’s a great white paper to read up on: https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.12712 LLMs are currently not very smart, I admit, but its not what it can currently do that’s important and exciting, but how it has gotten to doing what it can poorly do right now, because that new approach gives us a clear path forward for progress without constantly needing to rely on making new academic breakthroughs, and for now we don’t see a brick wall for progress approaching. We may eventually run into a brick wall with this approach, or we may not. We will know if Transformer architecture alone can get us to AGI once we have exhausted all forms of data modalities.

Glittering_Bill2039

I can accept that definition of language is arguably a grey area. My hypothesis is that there are currently no non-human species or class of entities that can pass the Turing test even if we take out the structured language portion and only consider exchange of information, other than LLMs. But maybe digging into one property that I perceive to be an “emergent property that’s previously thought to be uniquely human quality” is not the most efficient way to express my thoughts; the idea being that progress through emergent properties is an important breakthrough, and that current LLM are already showing signs of many such properties that weren’t explicitly encoded into their architecture, and that some of these emergent properties are what were previously thought to be uniquely human qualities. Maybe even the use of the word “human quality” is a distraction, maybe the wording should be “quality of intelligence”. Language proficiency being just one of many examples of LLM’s emergent properties. I used language as an example because its one of the few emergent properties that’s actually working quite well already - other ones are showing signs of emergence but too imperfect to be called ability yet - for instance it seems to have some capacity to build internal world models, and partial understanding of mathematics, even though these are not within the scope of intended outcomes of a Transformer architecture An example I like to cite is solving problems of adding two numbers. Can’t remember the exact figures, but there’s a subset of math problem LLMs can reliably solve without resulting to using code interpreter - something like adding two equal digit numbers or something, can’t remember the exact details - the cool part is that, it’s designed to predict the next word, and all addition problems only have exactly one correct next word, and no matter how big you make the NN’s parameter space, there’s infinite number of variations of addition problems, so it can’t just have a very long “cheat sheet” that it can memorise to correctly respond to all these addition problems, and it’s also unlikely that the Internet (or whatever training data source) happens to contain infinite variations of all addition problems and correct answers. Only way for LLM to be able to reliably predict the next word in this context is to actually understand how adding of two numbers work. And while still Imperfect, that’s the sort of behavior we are seeing in LLMs. Like you originally said, LLMs are currently not very smart, but its not what it can currently do that’s important, but how it has gotten to doing what it can poorly do right now, because that new approach gives us a clear path forward for progress without constantly needing to make new academic breakthroughs, and for now we don’t see a brick wall for progress approaching. We may eventually run into a brick wall with this approach, or we may not. We will know if Transformer architecture alone can get us to AGI once we have exhausted all forms of data modalities.

Glittering_Bill2039

I do agree that pure language based approach is already close to its peak, but that's understandable given if you look at how humans learn about the world, we consume more than just text data. We see images, we see motion in time, we feel the textures, smell, and have body to experiment with the world. There is limit to much you can learn from text modality alone. The next frontier of progress is probably going to be adding these other modalities of data into the transformer architecture, so that the AI learns aspects of our world that cannot be captured by text alone. When we have exhausted all data modalities, we will truly know if Transformer architecture alone was enough to build an AGI

Glittering_Bill2039

I agree that LLMs are not smart, the impressive part isn't what it can do, but the discovery of new approach to AI development (emergent properties) that got these models to where they are today - the progress is no longer constrained by human inguiniety, now the main constraints for progress are things like compute, energy and quality and size of data, which is a major paradigm shift. Yes sure there are arguably still a couple of areas that we may need to see new breakthroughs in before we have all of the ingredients to create a system worthy of AGI title, but it's also possible that it may be within technological feasibility to just brute force the current approach to achieve AGI level system. I don't think "we will have a real AI" soon though, not because I don't believe in technology, but because the general population keeps moving the goalpost for what "real AI" means every time we reach a significant milestone and demonstrate that what we once thought to be uniquely human quality can be replicated in code

Podsly

Yes that is correct. But i believe they plan to build a few projects. Such as Rejuv (RJV - [https://singularitynet.io/ecosystem/rejuve/](https://singularitynet.io/ecosystem/rejuve/)). "While building the foundations for AGI, SingularityNET is also bootstrapping an ecosystem of organizations that will fuel the platform with AI services and create massive utilization of the AGIX token." - https://singularitynet.io/ecosystem/

macjonalt

Yeah it will accelerate things. Trading orgs have used algorithms to trade for quite a while now and that sort of thing magnifies flash crashes etc. I don't know if it'll be better trading decisions though. It's all pattern recognition rather than true intelligence. 'AGI' is the computing model where you would talk about something like actual intelligence rather than what these chatbots are - We are far away from AGI. Still, it is all very dystopian and you are right to be wary of it and the few who hold the keys to it. Nothing is forever though and I'm sure if it makes life horrible, it will eventually die.

drumman998

Yes…based on your AGI I believe so any earned income you have or distributions from a traditional IRA/401k would count against this limit too.

Samoto88

AGI..

WolframRuin

An AGI (Artificial general intelligence) run on a farm of quantum computers.

Climatechaos321

I’m certainly not a butcoiner, in fact I love crypto and believe it is the solution to many of the issues that AI & AGI will prevent with society. It’s just something to be aware of as it is definitely possible. You can use no-code to program a quantum computer on the cloud today, only a matter of time, etherium is preparing, let’s hope bitcoin does a hard fork to prepare as well.

-H2O2

Yeah I was being sarcastic a bit, apologies. Given how far LLMs have advanced even in the past 2 years, I think it's safe to say that these types of technological advancements in AGI, AI, and quantum computing will occur much, much faster than most realize. I would be shocked if we don't see quantum computing sufficient to break wallet encryption within 5 years.

Spiritual_Navigator

Just wait till openAI anounces AGI

unclekarl_

RENDER, FET, AGI, AKT are solid not too degenerate options

Laurensio_

AGI

Spiritual_Navigator

AI is an exponential that is just starting The haters will realize when a true AGI emerges in the coming years

Laurensio_

AGI

DAN_ikigai

You are wrong. If we ever achieve real artificial intelligence (AGI). We should want it to be on a block chain and be completely decentralized. Think about it.

DixonDs

It is a bit funny though when people are trying to predict 10 years from now in this day and age. We have a prospect of getting AGI from one side and a world war from another. Good luck, have fun!

crashbdx

This is a difficult topic. On the one hand, it would certainly have some advantages to store the weights of a trained neural network on the blockchain, e.g., with managing intellectual property rights, organizing payment for usage and so on.  On the other hand, those models are usually quite large, especially if you think of modern topics, like Large Language Models, or AGI in general and we strongly believe that blockchains are not well suited as data storage. Having this said, we are currently experimenting with storing and evaluating neural networks directly on chain. In order to approach this topic, we cooperate with a University of Applied Sciences in Germany.

whatifitried

So, don't agree with you here, but it's price will certainly drop because it's a wee bit overheated, meaning the first even minor sales slump will cause a massive stock over-reaction. That said, the cycle they are riding here is not AI Hype, but AI orders. All of this comes from sales and profit. This form of AI doesn't need to be the path to full AGI for it to be incredibly useful, as it's already incredibly useful. A ton of super valuable stuff is already being done with backprop neural nets, which will continue to drive huge order revenue. Tensor chips are here to stay too. My assumption is this cycle will fall well short of AGI, but also replace so so many things. Self driving looks pretty likely, market trading looks likely, energy grid management already happens, robotic control systems already use this, etc. Military uses this stuff heavily. Even if this tech isn't what creates AGI, it's not like the tech that does won't need chips to do it. NVDA is definitely better positioned than Intel or AMD in that race, no matter what form it takes. You could argue that if it requires some form of quantum computing to achieve then they might not be the leader in that, but they certainly are in conventional, high parallelism chips. NVDA is buying the railroad, not the train. It's not clear that this form of learning will fail towards AGI either, evolution itself appears to be a form of backprop based learning, fwiw given the apparent DNA changes triggered by environmental response, which some refer to as the epigenome.

falsomovimento

What do we think of 'AI Assistant' coins? (AGI, VAI, VIA) Seems pretty cringe to me but they are printing money.

Bokos_Rasilisk

> Quantum computers which can crack encryption are a lot, lot, lot, lot further away than 2-3 years. We are talking decades at best, even allowing for huge leaps well past Moore's law. We already have Q-star AGI under wraps and you think quantum computing is "far away"? Lol....lmao Also, you didn't really provide a solution. Your argument is basically: - it's far away (it isn't) - banks will get cracked, too (so? Banks can react faster and implement secure algorithms because they are centralized services). TL:DR so far it seems Bitcoin is fukded and it's odd people don't realize this

Laurensio_

AGI Delysium

Laurensio_

AGI is pretty volatile atm. Just add some more small bits in case it drops 10-20%. Its a low market cap so a lot of room to go

Normal-Jelly607

Penalty-free withdraws in the following cases: You’ve turned 59 ½ You’re permanently disabled You’re the beneficiary of an account owner who has passed away You’re withdrawing up to $10,000 to buy your first home You withdraw up to $5,000 to pay for qualified birth or adoption expenses You withdraw up to $22,000 to cover losses as a result of a federally declared disaster You’re the victim of domestic abuse and withdraw the lesser of $10,000 or 50% of your account You withdraw money to pay for higher education expenses You withdraw up to $1,000 to cover personal or family emergency expenses You take a series of substantially equal payments You’re subject to an IRS levy on your Roth IRA You pay for unreimbursed medical expenses of more than 7.5% of your annual gross income (AGI) You pay for health insurance premiums while you’re unemployed You’re a qualified military reservist called to active duty. Otherwise it’s a 10% penalty , compared to 15-20% capital gains tax.

Laurensio_

AGI - Delysium FET - Fetch.AI

RobbyBergers

Whether it's a scam or not is kind of a weird phrase. It's on the way to doing what it set out to do. A more interesting question is, is that a good thing? In the wake of utter abundance and the apparent coming of AGI, with as much political strife stemming from rich people defining the rules of life through a capitalist system where everything is denominated in currency, do we really want capitalism? Not to mention a huge variable there is who owns what portion of the blockchain (inb4 "bitcoin entropy" shut the fuck up 1000 people shouldn't be billions of times wealthier that leads to shit full stop.) The amount of people that you know are bitcoin 1%ers that constantly post racist conspiracy theories and shit.... I'd say bitcoin is not a scam, but it's no fuckin panacea for society's problems either. We're going to be ruled by schizophrenic freaks if and when it becomes the global reserve currency.

CH1997H

The elite state isn't a single person, so I still think Altman will end up being the most powerful individual Nobody knows what exactly will happen after AGI + ASI

CH1997H

50% of the redditors in this thread are writing on an iPhone with Face Unlock. People have already sold all their biometric data to megacorporations a long time ago. It's kind of cute that people don't know this Keep yelling at the "intrusive surveillance coin" because you missed an early pump Let me tell you a secret. In 1-5 years when Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) + Articifical Super Intelligence (ASI) gets revealed, Sam Altman will be known as the most powerful person in human history. They will hold more power than people are able to understand. Actually they've most likely already achieved AGI internally, and they're probably using AGI today to achieve and accelerate ASI. Don't underestimate this

ceiuJ

In short, Bitcoin is programmable money, so it’s possible to program AI to receive and send bitcoin without needing a 3rd party overseeing or approving the transactions or telling it what to do. AI (particularly AGI) could be an independent economic actor, like giving cash to a robot and the robot spending it elsewhere on its own. If fiat is used a bank needs to be involved for settlement and clearance, hindering the process. A good example of how Bitcoin is programmable is nostr - AI is not involved but lightning was integrated into the protocol so instead of liking a post you can “zap” it, which is just sending a micropayment as a mini tip to someone who made a good post. A more likely near term scenario with AI is that something like lightning is used to charge a microtransaction (like 15 sats) for each prompt to stop spammers from running up prompts and to secure additional financing for AI companies.

TheExplorativeBadger

It’s an interesting thought for long term AGI integration. On one hand it’s natural to think aid it as a tool that we master and therefore don’t need to pay. I don’t think we’ll pay AGI agents directly, unless we get to the humanoid stage and they are actually autonomous “citizens”, which seems beyond our lifetime maybe? But, before that, you back bet your ass the companies that finally make the AGI in non-humanoid form will certainly get a cut wherever that AI is deployed. So we won’t pay for the AIs benefit at first, but it will be paid. I would think.

voice-of-reason_

This is exactly my argument. AGI will dwarf bitcoins power usage by factors of 100 yet people over Reddit are so excited by it yet claim bitcoin is the devil. Pathetic really, just shows how spineless a lot of humans are.

candreacchio

The thing is, these chips dont cost a lot to make but they can sell them pretty high... They cost about 1k-2k to make and sell for over 40k. They have been sold out for the past 2 years, essentially dictating the price. with all of these larger and larger models coming online, there is a race for AGI. If they can do that, it will change humanity. The company that does that will be infinitely rich. Why is that so important? well, imagine that you can have a virtual employee for a business, where you pay by the hour and at a specific IQ. They dont get distracted and they dont need benefits. Just compute time. Oh and they work 24/7, and once they have learnt the knowledge to operate, can scale infinitely. If you have a white collar worker at a computer screen the whole day, what's the difference between that and a virtual employee, especially if the main worker is a remote worker. Yes this may not happen. Or it may. We are on the trajectory that it will happen.

reliable35

No.. AI is where the action is & will be for this bull run. GPT 5 & AGI possibly 6-18 months away. My bets are on RNDR, FET, AGIX & AKT with my low cap gem - TADA.

Ilovekittens345

I really don't think proof of human is such a dumb concept. Or the UBI that Sam Altmans wants to get going with worldcoin. I think it could be implemented much better, but at it's core Worldcoin does seem to try to offer some solution to the new problems we will have with AGI.

Spiritual_Navigator

Its backed by a $80 billion company that is creating AGI You know ChatGPT? OpenAI is Worldcoins parent company

Spiritual_Navigator

To prove you are a human being in a future where AI and AGI have flooded the internet Solves one of the most dangerous consequences of advanced AI

goobs420

I would also include LPT and AGIX, their goals may have been overly ambitious when founded but are now seemingly just a matter of time, a much shorter amount of time than any of us would have thought even a couple of months ago. “The surge in trading volumes and prices of LPT and AGIX in the wake of OpenAI's Sora announcement is a testament to the burgeoning interest and optimism in the potential of AI and blockchain. Livepeer's initiative to bring affordable and open access video generation capabilities into its network, coupled with SingularityNET's vision for decentralized AGI, highlights the transformative impact of AI on the digital economy. As these projects continue to evolve, they not only redefine the boundaries of what's possible but also underscore the pivotal role of AI in shaping the future of technology and society.”

n0vakil

Healthy skepticism is never a bad thing. The correlation between people accepting or denying investing in crypto is purely subjective. After talking to some incredibly intelligent people in I've had conversations with, each of them run around similar scenarios of why btc could crash or hit 0. Super Computers and AGI are the worries with cryptocurrencies. Once technology advances to a point where unfathomably wealthy people are able to have access to super computers, someone will attempt something malicious such as breaking the blockchain. The possibilities of AGI could in fact destroy or enhance cryptocurrency as we know it. It's a coin toss. **Either way in the current market, it is a good investment.** However, the future of cryptocurrency is uncertain due to its extreme volatility, and how quickly technology is advancing. Food for thought.

anonymous_cowherd0

That would be the artificial general intelligence or artificial superior intelligence, current AI is really just clever spreadsheets. But for AGI/ASI, if we design them to think like humans then yeah we fucked. But if we just accept that AI doesn't have to be human and build a benevolent philosopher machine that is bigger than our bullshit we might be alright, pure sci fi stuff still, we are a long way from true autonomous thinking machines, but a good example is the Minds in the Iain M Banks Culture novels. The Minds (ASI) are so beyond human comprehension that they see humans as like an entertaining side project. But they respect their inferior creators who had the balls to build them and enjoy us for what we are.

Seriksy

ZF, OTK, TET, AGI, Kaspa, SEI, INTR, BNC (Bifrost) and many more really. Tectum's TET is unique though

RICOstainzzz

Yes. AGI is really where the money is. AI bubble will pop as soon as a valid AGI exists.

snowmanyi

AGI is the future

outofobscure

yeah it's an interesting thought. we'll have to get to AGI first and then see what currency they prefer i guess hehe.

StatisticalMan

Unless it is your plan to engage in tax evasion there is zero issue with KYC BTC in cold storage or anywhere. If it is your plan to engage in tax evasion you will quickly find that while selling $500 worth of Bitcoins in cash and not reporting it and not depositing the cash and cheating on your taxes is quite easy. It isn't so easy doing it with $50,000 or $500,000 or $5M. So either you admit to ownership and pay taxes or more likely you get caught in felony level tax evasion, go to prison and your assets are seized anyways. The bonus irony is most of the tax evasion talk is from people with very low income. If your AGI (adjusted gross income) to include any capital gains is <$123,250 this year and you are married filing jointly then long term capital gains are taxed at zero. https://engaging-data.com/tax-brackets/?fs=1&reg=70000&cg=53250&yr=2024 If you are married filing jointly an your AGI is <$612,950 then your long term capital gains (Bitcoins held 365+ days) are taxed at a max of 15%. https://engaging-data.com/tax-brackets/?fs=1&reg=70000&cg=53250&yr=2024

conjectureobfuscate

The robot gods will look upon you favorably at judgement day post AGI

only_merit

> If noone pays for anything, then nothing will exist. First, this is not true. Second, no one is saying we should not pay for things. I'm saying we should not be forced to pay for anything. > If you don‘t pay the state, you will end up with either 1: the nothing, or 2: paying a company. OK, I will pay a company that I choose under a contract that I'm happy with and I will be able to choose a different provider of the service if I'm not happy. That works for me. > State: Wants to make it correct Lol, you really think that? That's cute, but incorrect. On moral grounds, state is no different than mafia. It's basically just bigger mafia. State doesn't care about you, nor about things being correct, it only cares about itself - meaning the pressure groups that form the states. State is about stealing money from one group of people and giving it to other group of people. > Company: Doesn‘t care about correct, only wants to make money, even if “it“ doesnt work. Well at least you can change the provider since no one forces you ... That's better every time compared to the state. There is no state that works well and for the people, yet there are many companies that work well and for the people. > Best thing (I guess) would be a combination: Pay less tax for the state to get companies to do things, as they are very often faster and more efficient than the state. Still you need some sort of organisation or algorithm (AGI is coming) to do the organisation / high level stuff. Not often, but always. State can not be more efficient than a free market company. No, you do not need any sort of high level organization. The market is a decentralized organization by itself.

DasDouble

If noone pays for anything, then nothing will exist. You can either pay the state or you can pay a private entity. If you don‘t pay the state, you will end up with either 1: the nothing, or 2: paying a company. Difference between paying the state and paying a company: State: Wants to make it correct Company: Doesn‘t care about correct, only wants to make money, even if “it“ doesnt work. Best thing (I guess) would be a combination: Pay less tax for the state to get companies to do things, as they are very often faster and more efficient than the state. Still you need some sort of organisation or algorithm (AGI is coming) to do the organisation / high level stuff.