IP

tennesseespring

I'm too old, damaged, and drunk to keep up with either you or mod u/opinion_is_unpopular. I thought the mod was addressing a usurpation of what ought to be legtitimate IP.

Substantial_Lake5957

How will China steal our IP and knowledge in EV as we almost have none and they have many.

Accomplished_Eye_978

but what if passing the US is simply a side effect of them producing things more efficiently? Take the EVs for example. If China had respected our IP laws, they would have no affordable EVs for their domestic market. They would, just like American citizens, be forced to buy American EVs at a premium that they probably can't afford. By using existing knowledge and building from that, they have been able to convert over 50% of their domestic car sales to electric, helping the environment tremendously. I mean, we complain about them messing up the environment, and we complain about their green energy. They can't win, from their point of view

Accomplished_Eye_978

from China's point of view, the alternative to using other IP and developing their own, is to be forever reliant to someone else producing your goods. I dont see how respecting americas ip laws benefits them

Momoware

It's not black and white. If there're truly no IP protections in China none of the Chinese companies would exist. Because as soon as your R&D is done someone could steal it and get ahead of you. Why invest into R&D then? China has less sound IP laws, but they still exist.

Frozen_Shades

Do the shorts know that if you short GME you now short fucking Pokemon? The world's #1 IP. Have fun and good luck. You gonna need it.

CaptainEZ

Way to prove my point. There's no mechanical limitation, just paperwork. The thing about paperwork is that it stops mattering if it's not enforced by material actions. Whether or not you think they should be held accountable for "stealing" doesn't matter. Those companies approached china with the full knowledge that it is not a country guided by the same root ideology (IP is pretty antithetical to communist ideology), gave them the knowledge to reproduce pieces of technology, and now people are mad that they *gasp* reproduced the technology. Again, if you're looking at actual mechanical interests, it's dumb for China (or any country) to spend time and energy on doing something if a better, easier way is given to them, paperwork be damned.

Echo-Possible

Another poster clarified that in order to receive subsidies Tesla had to give up technology, manufacturing expertise, and IP and share it with Chinese companies. So of course they were willing to give up some short term subsidies for advantages in the long term. Their whole goal is to boost domestic technology and companies and replace Western technology over the long term. In this case they at least made it clear what they were doing instead of outright stealing, which I will give them credit for.

Echo-Possible

I mean the Western world upholds IP protections. China does not. This should be obvious.

Echo-Possible

And? Your point is? Public research is fair game. Private IP is not. China does not understand the difference.

josephbenjamin

Many private IP are rooted in public research.

VariationAgreeable29

AAPL back with a vengeance. But yea sure let's talk about a video game brick n mortar retailer with zero moat, zero IP, a dramatically shrinking addressable market, no clear direction, no product differentiation or retail "secret sauce", no path to future innovation, no compelling reason for prospective customers to choose them, no brand image, no marketing momentum, and no leverage to extract price or margin premiums from customer or vendors.

Echo-Possible

China has a reputation for stealing IP and have been doing it for decades. If in this case companies had to agree to share some particulars of their technology to get subsidies, that would explain why no one wanted to take the subsides. My original political risk comment still stands. There’s a concerted effort by major companies to shift manufacturing out of China to Vietnam India Mexico etc. The Chinese government has shown a willingness to crack down on tech companies and effectively nationalize those companies.

Echo-Possible

They steal tech to accelerate their own development. Of course they make incremental progress of their own. But their modus operandi for the last 3-4 decades has been stealing IP.

BrownBoy____

They don't steal IP moron it's literally openly told to any company that wants to expand to China that in order to access the market you have to willingly give up information. The state isn't hiding that fact. Companies are just willing to do it because the profits from the Chinese market and labor pool were/are worth it.

Echo-Possible

Lol what kind of argument is this. Guns were around before the US was even a country. Regardless, it’s entirely irrelevant in the discussion of IP protections in the modern world.

Echo-Possible

I’m confused you don’t think China blatantly steals IP and does nothing about it? In fact, they support it because their goal is to replace western technology. They’ve been doing this for decades.

MD_Yoro

>long term When has any company focused of long term now days >steal their IP and knowledge Chinese EV companies were working on a different battery tech from Tesla and the likes that were initially blown off but through development became much cheaper thus their cheaper offering You really think the Chinese have 0 knowledge about EV and tech development.

Echo-Possible

Too much political risk. China had no intention of boosting foreign automakers over their own long term. They will invite Western companies in to steal their IP and knowledge. But ultimately their goal is to replace all Western tech with domestic tech.

FourWayFork

Huh? Professionally, I use Azure and host our main product on Azure. I'm connected to Azure SQL databases, Azure Kubernetes clusters, and Azure VMs every minute of the business day. I'm not seeing any performance issues at all. For one of my clients, I just finished exporting several hundred gigs of data from their Azure environment and it ran normally. Microsoft's Azure status says that there are no active events: https://azure.status.microsoft/en-us/status Microsoft's general cloud services health page says all is well: https://status.cloud.microsoft/ I'm not seeing anything wrong with Azure. Also, are you sure that ETrade is hosted by Azure? From a quick look, I don't see anything that indicates that it is. The IP address for us.etrade.com maps to AT&T business services, which may mean that they are using AT&T's business cloud services.

Fun_Coyote_2402

China is about scoop that IP.

iofhua

THIS. This is how Microsoft works, and it is mind-boggling. I've been calling Microsoft the graveyard of game IP's for years now. Microsoft Game Studios - rise of nations, dungeon siege, freelancer They bought Digital Anvil. They bought Lionshead. They bought Bungie. They bought Bethesda. They even bought Minecraft from a indie dev for a farking billion dollars. What have they done with all those IP's? Dungeon Siege 4? Rise of Nations 2? Freelancer 2? Black and White 3? They changed Minecraft so it doesn't run on Java anymore. Congratulations! I never signed up for the Microsoft account, and most serious players still play the Java edition. Waste of a billion dollars. I think Halo is still limping along, isn't it? I don't own an xbox. Now that the IP graveyard owns Bethesda, I have no hope for an Elder Scrolls 6. If Microsoft even tries I know they will try to monetize it somehow. Maybe they will charge you per character, or per hour of game time? Maybe your character will have to pay taxes to the Empire, and you can buy septims with RMT?

GeoLogic23

Reposting from yesterday due to some issues. With the THCa / THC conversation, I'd also like to say that I'm worried this is a way that big ag like the Monsanto's of the world are stealthily positioning to own cannabis. **Who owns patents/IP on cannabis strains that have been stabilized to consistently product high THCa while keeping THC to a minimum?** If Republicans refuse to close the hemp loopholes from the 2018 Farm Bill, they have effectively legalized cannabis, but only for <0.3% THC products. My understanding is that it takes a few years to stabilize strains and stuff like that. You have to consider that the 2018 Farm Bill loopholes may have been intentional, and used as a way to provide big ag the opportunity to quietly develop and patent the seeds that will be the only ones federally legal throughout the US. They would need a few years to do this, which would give Congress incentive to essentially just delay all cannabis legislation until the 2024 Farm Bill. Back in 2019 we had Phylos Bioscience get into a lot of hot water when they were caught essentially saying this was the plan. They had been accumulating a lot of cannabis strain IP. [Phylos Bioscience causes cannabis industry disturbance in Big Ag video](https://mjbizdaily.com/phylos-bioscience-causes-cannabis-industry-disturbance-in-big-ag-video/) * *In the video, Holmes boasted how Phylos had a “really huge lead” because it had been collecting cannabis data and intellectual property for four years.* * *“By the time (the Big Ag companies) do get here, we’ll be releasing outrageous new cannabis varieties every few months,” Holmes said. “We’ll have a foothold they can unseat us from, but it* ***will take them three to four years to build what we built.****”* * *He also spotlighted* ***Phylos staffers who had worked for Big Ag*** *companies Syngenta and the former DowDuPont.* * *“****Having these guys around is critical for us because we’re building a company that is*** ***ultimately going to be acquired by that universe***,” Holmes told the room.\* Not only that, but the shift from Schedule 1 to Schedule 3 may have implications for this as well. [Cannabis genetics and how companies can protect intellectual property](https://mjbizdaily.com/how-cannabis-companies-can-protect-intellectual-property-in-the-wake-of-the-phylos-bioscience-uproar/) *The one catch?* ***As long as cannabis remains a Schedule 1 controlled substance, it will be difficult to obtain a patent from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO).***

Inglourious-Ape

China just wanted a giga factory to steal all the IP for their own domestically produced cars. I've heard time and time again that Chinese people look down at Teslas and see them as a poor man's EV.

RastaImp0sta

China’s technological advances are all based on government sponsored IP theft too so there’s that.

MarksOtherAccount

Which fundamentals don't you like? They've been reducing costs and just recently were profitable in 2023 for the first time in a long time. A billion of cash on hand with 0 debt. Coming out with new products like the Candy Con controllers which seem to be getting really great reviews without even introducing IP-based designs One thing I think they're still failing on is the digital store and PC games. All they really need to do is copy Steam or come up with their own version of GamePass

_galaga_

I found the Illinois business entity search site but couldn't find any listings with the "S.F." part of the name in the search term. There are a couple "Kennedy Industries" but one was dissolved and the other was established in 1990 so probably not related. There are some court documents listing "S.F. Kennedy Industries" and Samuel F. Kennedy himself seems to have been in a patent dispute back in late '80s. Feels like S.F. Kennedy Industries, Inc. could've been his own firm, perhaps like a consultancy, that held rights to patents/IP or did business along those lines. Probably faded into the ether at some point but I'm not an expert here, just doing some Googling around.

kmc_

If we're talking about the whatabout game then what about all US tech companies being banned in China unless they have a joint partnership with a domestic company and share all relevant IP? Or what about the straight-up theft of Nortel IP in Canada? Toppling their telecommunications development industry with heavily subsidized copies to capture global market share (Huawei). Two can play at the whatabout game. Gotta give it to China and their ruthless production efficiency and scale though. Stuff they make sure is cheap at the end of the day and cost is king.

PutinsLostBlackBelt

You think Tesla wasn't fully prepared for that? lol. China literally can't create anything complex on their own worth a damn. Their education system isn't oriented that way, that's why they send everyone to the US for college. That's why China steals IP for everything and then creates a junky, outdated version of said IP.

noobtrader28

IP theft is real, but blaming everything on IP theft is just ignorant. What about US force sale of Tik Tok? That isn't even IP theft, thats just straight up theft lol. The sooner the West sees China as a real competitor for global economic dominance the faster they can work together to fight a common enemy. With your thinking right now all you're doing is giving an excuse for GM and Ford to sit back and twirl their thumbs while China is working 20 years into the future. I'm Chinese Canadian, I'm connected to both sides. But for me to see how efficient and goal oriented China is when it comes to the economy makes me roll my eyes everytime I see a westerner blame everything on the CCP. Don't discount Chinese companies, they are the most innovative and hard working organizations in the world.

stoked_7

noobtrader28 is clueless about the IP theft that goes on in this space

Zardiw

We block a lot of IP addresses because of hackers. Does this link work? https://ddamanda.com/SignUpMainD1.php Z

bbmak0

It is a dictatorship in China now, and it is total logical for communism value. Have you heard what Biden said in San Francisco last year. Go to youtube and search it. >Why would a company bother starting up and going public if government intervention is only going to drive down their share prices? Many people started before the current CCP leadership. Do you think people have choice in China when CCP said your company is state owned. Even Foreigners get sued when their IP get stolen by the Chinese counterfeit.

Artmasterx

That is pretty ridiculous.  Some other nuggets... "the fact that, prior to the closing of the Business Combination, Genesis SPAC intends to enter into a warrant exchange agreement with Genesis Sponsor, pursuant to which, in connection with the closing of the Business Combination, 8,875,000 private placement warrants will be cancelled in full and, in consideration therefor, Genesis SPAC will issue an aggregate 221,875,000 Class A ordinary shares to Genesis Sponsor on a private placement basis;" "Assuming the exercise and conversion of all securities, the sponsor and its affiliates’ total potential ownership interest in the combined company would be 227,725,625 ordinary shares, or 94.5%, of the Post-Combination Company. Genesis SPAC conducted a valuation of the Post-Combination Company’s Class A ordinary shares using a Black-Scholes option pricing model. Genesis SPAC assigned a valuation of the Post-Combination Company at $21 million (based on the Mindmaze IP Purchase Price) and treated the $21 million debt obligation as a senior preferred security with a $21 million liquidation preference. Given the uncertainty surrounding the closing of the Business Combination, future fundraising efforts, and future operations and profitability of the Contributed Assets, Genesis SPAC then applied a 50% probability of dissolution or non-continued operations scenario, in which equity holders would be holding shares worth $0 per Class A ordinary share, while a 50% probability of upside potential of the patent portfolio was given a $0.006 per Class A ordinary share value. This method resulted in a probability weighted value per Class A ordinary share of $0.003. Accordingly, based on such valuation, Genesis Sponsor and its affiliates’ total potential ownership interest in the combined company would be approximately $670,254." So they estimate the de-spac shares being with less than a cent?  This is absurd, but I guess mostly due to the 225M warrant conversion share diluting things.  Am I reading this right?

muyoso

>chinese EV firms aren't relying on stealing trade secrets. [Suuuuuuure](https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/owners-china-based-company-charged-conspiracy-send-trade-secrets-belonging-leading-us-based#:~:text=%E2%80%9CAs%20alleged%2C%20the%20defendants%20set,secrets%2C%E2%80%9D%20said%20U.S.%20Attorney%20Breon) [its](https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/four-month-prison-sentence-for-ex-apple-employee-who-stole-project-titan-trade-secrets-5024035) (not)[https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-businessman-charged-conspiring-steal-trade-secrets] (a)[https://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Business/michigan-couple-charged-corporate-espionage/story?id=11236400] (coordinated)[https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/detroit/press-releases/2011/de041211.htm] (attack)[https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdnc/pr/chinese-businessman-charged-theft-trade-secrets] Every word is its own link, all related to industrial espionage from the Chinese stealing trade secrets from auto companies ALONE. The Chinese steal everything. There are endless more examples of stolen IP and trade secrets which would benefit Chinese EV manufacturers, from China stealing paint trade secrets from companies, to China stealing steel trade secrets from US Steel and on and on and on and on. https://www.csis.org/programs/strategic-technologies-program/survey-chinese-espionage-united-states-2000 Its fucking endless.

ProgrammerPoe

This is a joke right? All of this shit is based around American, or American allied, IP that has is just manufactured in China. Without America and its allies China is able to do a lot of light manufacturing and nothing more. Even if you are right you are just making an argument /for/ tariffs not against them. Cutting China off will force American industry off of its tit and force them to build up domestic manufacturing at the expense of China.

ashe141

These people likely invented the first iterations of machine learning and applied to market signals. The core “secret” to RT is that other disciplines and methodology’s (such as radio telescope data analysis) could be applied to financial markets. The main guys spent decades trying to get this model right before it took off in the ‘80s if I recall correctly. They essentially look to get slightly more than 50% in EV and size their bets accordingly. The initial success allowed the needed investment in infrastructure and people to create a sustainable process where every person has access to the core algo. Unlike just about every other shop who protects that core code for IP and other trade secret reasons. This podcast is good: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0psDxKAKhIpe4mvqipU1L1?si=185lFnebTpKYwGuCmiXz6g

PickledDildosSourSex

And honestly it's overdue. America has: a ton of people in need of quality work, a ton of space, a shitton of money, lots of global enemies, lots of smart people (though we should have way more). Why the fuck aren't we building up infra and manufacturing to pay citizens and not be dependent on an IP-stealing, genocidal autocracy that rejects the very idea of democracy (and even socialism)?

woahitsjihyo

Ngl, don't give a shit about stolen IP unless it's from a small/fledgling company. The major auto manufacturers need to step their game up and be more competitive instead of bitching and moaning to the US gov to ban outside competition because they can't keep up.

fretit

Yes, China "bad". [Owners of China-Based Company Charged With Conspiracy to Send Trade Secrets Belonging to Leading U.S.-Based Electric Vehicle Company](https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/pr/owners-china-based-company-charged-conspiracy-send-trade-secrets-belonging-leading-us) [DOJ] A lot of the tech in Chinese EV's is stolen IP.

doriangreyfox

> sought permission from china That is ridiculous. China was craving for Western investment and IP back then. They welcomed everyone with open arms.

XxSpruce_MoosexX

This. They just steal IP. I worked for a company that manufactured items essential for our electrical infrastructure. They wanted to move production to China. The Chinese came, photographed everything, took tons of documents and built a clone factory. Guess what? They kicked us out within the year

LongLiveNES

What do these “profiles” gain “them”? I’m a former consultant with marketing specialty so I absolutely understand how profiling makes companies money but it’s not clear to me what the use is to a foreign government aside from giving that info to their businesses to sell/market better.  “Most popular social media platform”??? Meta has way more penetration and data. WAY more (which is why I’m a shareholder).  This thread (whole thing, not just this sub thread) is fascinating - you have people saying China never stole American IP/isn’t more protectionist than the US (LOL holy shit blatantly false) and then dudes like you saying the CCP is tracking my dance moves better or differently than two companies (META and Alphabet) that literally plan/control my entire life outside of maybe my car. Actually gotta throw Amazon in there if I say whole life but point remains.  Fascinating. 

Pacify_

Governments giving subsidies? No way! The IP stuff is fair though

dumblehead

BYD started their business back in 1995 as a battery company. China does have history IP theft, but not in battery tech.

cookingboy

> they also form cartels to prevent price competition My dude can people write comments in this thread without making up bullshit lies out of thin air? Chinese EV market has some of the most intense price wars: https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/chinas-ev-price-war-is-just-getting-started-f8bfb198 It’s been amazing for consumers > also steal trade secrets What EV tech did they steal? What EV tech does the West have that’s even worth stealing when the Chinese lead the world? We literally pay for their tech and IP.

earthlingkevin

How can they be stealing IP when they are ahead of everyone else by a mile?

thehighwaywarrior

Massive IP theft helps too

gophergun

IP itself is inherently anti-capitalist

ThinkingOfTheOldDays

SMRs are going to be a big thing in 25 years, but it's unclear which company will be producing them. very IP heavy industry, and there are competitors.

SPAC_Time

This may be a new low for SPAC business combinations. GGAA was delisted by NASDAQ in July 2023, has been trading on OTC Pink market ever since as GGAAF and GGAWF. Now they have scheduled a business combination vote ***eleven days*** from today, to vote to merge with a collection of patents held by the Genesis Sponsor they ***hope*** to be able to monetize. Oh, and they will continue to be listed on OTC. [Genesis Growth Tech Acquisition Corp Schedules May 21, 2024 Shareholder Meeting to Vote For Business Combination with Genesis Sponsor ( MindMaze Patents )](https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1865697/000121390024041840/ea0202159-07.htm) \- OTC Pink: GGAAF GGAWF " **It is expected that the securities of the Post-Combination Company will continue to trade on the OTC.** " "The Contributed Assets and Obligations Mask Technology The Contributed Assets are comprised of seven issued patents and three pending patent applications relating to mask technology and uses thereof. Mask technology involves a mask which is worn on a user’s face. Electrodes contact the skin in the upper half of the face, which attempt to detect facial expressions according to the electrical activity of facial muscles. It may be used for detecting emotions, even when a user’s face is obscured, for example when wearing a virtual reality or augmented reality visor. Emotion detection products may include any product (software or hardware) that provides the determination of emotion or facial expressions, for example for marketing, communications, and human-computer interaction systems. Types of products may include EMG facial masks and video analysis of faces, plus voice analysis. Relevant virtual reality products may include any product (software or hardware) which enables or improves communication through virtual reality, including for conversations meetings and live events. Genesis SPAC expects to sell through partnership or collaborations with a wide variety of companies, which would receive mask technologies and a license to the relevant patent applications, who would then sell products incorporating net technology and pay royalties to Genesis SPAC. The value of these royalty streams depends upon a combination of the potential percentage royalties to be levied and the size of the market against which they could be levied. Markets generally are dynamic, market sizes are generally hard to predict. The proposed markets for mask technologies and IP are only now developing, or in some cases starting, so they’re expected market size disproportionately order to predict. Relevant industries include: global virtual reality market, the augmented reality market, mixed reality market, facial recognition, emotion detection, wellness, well-being and health market."

LurkerGhost

Microsoft owns the IP Microsoft has controlling shares, Microsoft essentially. Owns the company without actually owning the company

beyerch

> I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, > and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, > and > I have over 300 confirmed kills. See, now I don't even have to hire you and get my brains blown out to get you caught. You just provided enough PII to nail you . Black helicopters arrive in 20, be prepared. As far as my IP address, let me guess, we'll write a GUI in Visual Basic and track it in real time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU

Worf_Of_Wall_St

The press release talks about "most beloved brands" of content but that's pretty meaningless these days, everybody licenses their stuff away so you can't even see all of a single company's IP on their own streaming service.

sielingfan

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.?

Minimum_Finish_5436

Bullish for Tesla or for BP? It would be like buying a series of gas stations. Electricity is a commodity. More important would be the IP, name recognition, compatibility, etc.

EntrepreneurFunny469

One screen at a time. IP locked. Commercials on optional content even with a commercial free subscription.

Bronze_Rager

Why would TSMC/Samsung ever agree to that? That's like asking Apple/Microsoft to give up their IP to China

ThisKarmaLimitSucks

Intel's designs aren't that good, and those poor designs are being manufactured on obsolete processes. The two feed into each other, and it can be hard to separate them, but Intel is basically shackled to a corpse with x86 in CPU design, and they don't have any worthwhile IP in the GPU or AI space. I am shorting this stock into the earth's core.

AMTX-me

Fuck Tesla. Never lost a dime on it but needs to license/certify it's energy IP (see Apple/MFi) to other automotive companies if it's worth even doing that.

Internal-Ruin6222

Cybersecurity company. The CEO was Chief Information on Obama administration. DYOR They have over 8 Billions IP and over 30 years of data to prevent attacks. Market cap around $6 Million. Absurd. DYOR

bawtatron2000

the abolition of good IP with some characters being beloved for 50+ years for a forced agenda isn't left or right, it's about quality. A fair amount of diversity in Marvel at least, there wasn't a need to strongarm an agenda and substitute terrible writing and product for it

colbyshores

This is the most creatively bankrupt company in the world. They haven’t released a succssful original new IP in a loooong time. Furthermore they called half of the country racists and bigots for not wanting to watch their woke nonsense. Conservatives are the ones who would take their families to a family friendly amusement park of take their kids to see a movie. Like, Nintendo gets it. They burned all of their goodwill with like everyone. Plus they milked the cows bone dry with pushing the existing IP in recent years and the MCU is fucked. The list goes on and on…

LiquefactionAction

Umm excuse me, Disney is revitalizing their IP and creativity! Look at this recent earnings report presentation. I'm shocked. I'm wowed. I'm on the edge of my seat pissing my pants in anticipation... Amazing stuff Disney. ALL IN https://preview.redd.it/b5ge8cwsq3zc1.png?width=1395&format=png&auto=webp&s=0dacaf1b39c8cf52dcdb7ff4d51a3e4a576e5bc0

CompetitionDry6359

Growth driven by Bluey - which isn't even their own IP 

bawtatron2000

I get your perspective, but I completely disagree. I agree that culture has shifted, but there are many examples of products in similar genres that have done great jobs at it and haven't been jamming things down people's throats at the expense of quality of product. The last few disney outings have been complete shit, not because they more inclussive, but because it has been done completely wrong. As a shareholder (which I'm not) do I trust this core of this method or getting directors with 0 experience to head up billion dollar blockbusters to push their agenda and destroy the source material? Also, don't forget who some of the fanbase is. If you destroy a beloved character that people from ages 5 - 60 love and have loved for 50 years those aged 5 - 15 will get over it, the rest, you just lost and ruined a 50 year legacy. Gender swapping and race swapping for inclusion should be totally fine if it can work in the story, which often it does, but the forced hand the poor writing and the destroying other characters to boost the agenda ones has decimated the IP. X-Men IP has a LOT of variance in their heroes, it was the original point of the series. You don't need to much with anyone to get your social credit points. We will see what DIS does with that.

bawtatron2000

I hope when someone finally makes something of your avatar's IP it's not destroyed!!! Long live FF!

midnightketoker

I keep hearing this but you know you can simply can go on archive.org right fucking now and download a 2.5TB compressed database of every text submission and comment ever posted to reddit up to the last month or so...? like, you know that right? how many companies are really gonna care about their training data being kosher licensed IP if there's no legal precedent yet saying it's even an issue otherwise? just seems like a real long shot and questionable upside

Top_Huckleberry_8225

Happy to be a shareholder at 105. Exasperation over woke culture has stagnated into a dull acceptance that this is our reality. Disney's setbacks in Florida are priced in but a transitory phase as Desantis and his political games become less marketable to the republican base every cycle. The sun is setting on him and with that the media spotlight on the fiasco and rising on a promised land of neglected IP primed for another cycle of money printing reboots for a new generation.

AdhesivenessOver268

i dont use whatsapp and knowing losers like you, you would probably download some kind of virus to get my IP and send me pizzas or swat because that's what weakling losers do. only tough online.

Spiteoftheright

Blowing up their IP has consequences.

OppositeArugula3527

It's in the design and IP not the manufacturing. Same with Apple, when you look on the back of an iPhone it says designed in California, made in China.

WTFspy

That's what Disney gets for sitting on and doing nothing with Donald Duck IP

hishnash

They already have all the IP in house. What a modern ML chip needs is a Lot of VRAM attached to a GPU/NPU combination... that is exactly what Appels Ultra chips are. The key bit here is a LOT of VRAM.

hishnash

Why would they do that when they already have all the IP in house.

FarrisAT

How much we betting it's Broadcom IP design with Apple branding slapped on top?

AmazingSibylle

Any and all IP from Tesla soon available in China for any local EV company, free of charge provided by the Government.....

aka0007

Disney's main source of income is their parks not movies. They need to pump out content to maintain their cultural relevance and drive people to the parks, which last quarter alone made more money that Disney made off of movies in the full years prior to COVID. As to park revenues and profits they should be up based on all the data out there about Q1 so far. Disney also has a sleeper in terms of D+ and Hulu which were near turning a profit last quarter and may very well be in profit as of Q1. As to profits from movies... I think that is like the cherry on top. Disney rode the MCU for a while and made a nice amount of money off that, but it was never guaranteed to be a perpetual thing. They have a massive IP library and a never-ending list of potential movies to pursue. Basically, I think their underlying numbers are bullish. The issue I have with DIS is their stock price might be too high regardless so I don't think I can justify investing in it, but I would not want to bet against it either.

DDX2016DDX

You do know that aniplex is owned by sony and FGO is one of the biggest cash cow in anime IP market. They are not missing out in anything

feedmestocks

I 100% agree with this. Mobile spin offs and leveraging their massive amount of anime IP for mobile games in Asia is a huge market Sony is missing out on. PC should be a bottom priority for them compared to console and mobile

Illustrator_Creepy

Ok. I work for IP. Was just curious. They are currently buying out a large company from overseas named D.S. Smith. I think it will lead to future growth.

Illustrator_Creepy

What makes you add IP to this list?

pineapplesuit7

Arrowhead isn't owned by Sony. They just made an exclusive game as a 2nd party developer for Sony. Sony owns the IP. Arrowhead is a very small studio in comparison to most other studios.

Fibocrypto

WEAT, UNG, SLV, UAN, VALE, REMX, IP, and there are several gold and silver stocks I could mention as well. As a guide I'd say that having a 10- 15 % weighting towards this sector is enough. I'm not saying sell everything else and buy commodities only just to clarify.

hidetoshiko

>China is hostile, every single thing they do, they trying to destroy US and EU, they have history of inserting spy software and back doors into their computers products. Not a fan of what they do, but that level of hate is a little overcooked. On the part of Congress I think it's rooted in racism and ignorance, with the defence industrial lobby egging them on. Plus, from the Chinese POV, the country retains the cultural memory of being exploited and humiliated by the West. Some of the things they do can be interpreted as merely reacting to US moves. Plus, clunky and buggy software, plus the existence of telemetry that routes to Chinese IP is not exactly new in the industry and hardly evidence of systematic .

ExtraLargePeePuddle

> Not when searching in a private window They’re not ready private. >clean VM Cool what’s the IP address > from MongoDB, and the Sundar pervert showed a video of a girl that looked too young to even be a teen rubbing a potato on her crotch. Lol that’s 100% a you problem.

Actually-Yo-Momma

Worst case lucid gets bought out. That IP and experience is worth a buy out when they’re down spiraling 

Resi86

The tricky thing is they would need to formulate it in a way that a patent stands. You can’t simply put a patent on the plant or a derivative of it, there would need to be a proprietary component to any meds they want to bring to market in order to create a moat (if someone knows more about IP in the pharma world, please chime in)

Soontoresign

Facing a lot of headwinds in the US. Hawaii is moving to ban them, NYC already did. Those are major tourist markets, and an increasing number of cities are becoming highly restrictive. They just launched a new service called Icons, which seems almost like a sweepstakes marketing strategy for unique stays. I'm curious if they partnered with Disney in some way...seems like their latest Icon offerings are heavy on Disney IP. Maybe Icons is being positioned as a B2B revenue stream for Airbnb? On the flip side, they're on their way to becoming a monopoly for vacation rentals & group/family travel. VRBO is a truly awful platform full of bugs and pitiful UI, and they're their closest competitor. Part of the reason hosts are complaining is because supply has far outstripped demand, so individual rates and occupancy are dropping. That isn't a problem for Airbnb though - they make money regardless. Travel spend is still quite high, so I'd be surprised if they don't give rosy guidance.

Maxmilliano_Rivera

Disney’s best guidance is with IP, if they don’t have any good IP to run to the ground, then they don’t have future gains. Idk what it looks like, just saying that’s they’re game.

Alarmed_Reporter_642

That is the smartest approach. International exposure which allows for gains vs holding onto garbage with the hope for mythical gains sometime in the future based on gains from 40 years ago. True diversification is when you do not tolerate underperformance but still have a safety net. Kudos to you for achieving that. If only other people here could see that instead of focusing on advanced trading strategies. My family is from India and I would never ever get involved with that country. Nothing is certain, much is fabricated in terns of financials, and there is massive corruption with limited respect for IP.

Joseots

Inside Out 2 is a big test. If they fall flat on IP with a golden reputation— there is no bottom.

MrRikleman

I think most people don’t fully understand how much of what Apple has done in Cook’s tenure is just financial engineering. Cook is good at one thing, squeezing every last dollar out of a good thing. Whether it’s playing games with what low tax country you park your IP, which tax haven island (not Caribbean of course) you stash your overseas profits. There’s the brilliant move to sell 40 year bonds when the Fed slashed rates to zero. Buyers of those sure look like fools right now. Of course, most of this credit likely goes to the CFO and not Tim. I’m frankly hard pressed to say what exactly Cook brings to the table here. From my seat, he hopped on a freight train going Mach 2 that Steve Jobs built and he’s just sort of riding it to a stop.

treebonk

Agreed but still… Ive sold cybersecurity tech and u won’t believe what lengths those fuckers go to in order to steal shit. For example, Crocs’ greatest IP isn’t their designs, it’s the formula for the foam they’re made of and they are highly targeted by National states trying to knock off their brand.

Desmater

Same, i think QCOM should be at least $200-220. Been buying and accumulating. I even bought and sold in 2016 when it was $50-60. CEO is smart investing into IoT, Autos and new segments outside of IP royalties and Handsets.

CanIMarginThat

>Yes I know OKLO doesn’t yet have approvals for its nuclear reactors, this is a trade, not an investment Not directly approval of their nuclear reactors but they have received approval to test their IP/Tech of the recycling process of nuclear waste that they are trying to implement in their reactors. [source](https://oklo.com/newsroom/news-details/2024/U.S.-DOE-Approves-the-Safety-Design-Strategy-for-the-Oklo-Aurora-Fuel-Fabrication-Facility/default.aspx)

SodiumEthylXanate

It’s a bit expensive right now for sure, but it’s no Tesla. These guys have been around for a long time and have huge market share and still growing across many sectors. I will refrain from using the M word as that was settled in court. Now they have their share, and the IP becomes increasingly complex and powerful, they jack up their rates. They benefit from all “tech” growth across mobile, automotive, etc and now cloud and infrastructure as well. It’s a recent IPO with a lot of hype but it’s no startup

LiquefactionAction

Ehhhhhh. Dune movie rights are owned by Legendary Pictures (who recently decided to give a big fuck you to WB and have signed a deal with Sony for future distribution) -- not WB. and I believe WBD has a primary lease agreement to distribute Dune which means fixed fee instead of profit sharing. Most of the Box Office (after Theaters, etc get their cut) will go toward Legendary Pictures and co., not WBD. Barbie movie is done by Mattel Films and IP is still owned by Mattel, they could take their movie to Sony or Disney or Universal as distributors instead -- which they very well might do that. Not sure on the distribution agreement between Mattel and WB but I'd guess it might be mostly fixed fee as well. Harry Potter as an IP is dying. The Fantastic Beasts series flopped so hard they stopped making them. Their new remakes are probably going to do poorly and even all the Harry Potter tumblr mega-fans I know aren't interested considering it wasn't even that long ago that the series was made. Best case for WBD imo is Zaslav continues to run it into the ground until it's smoldering ruins and Disney buys it out for peanuts, though I'm not sure even Disney would be interested?

Zoalord1122

They are consolidating, have timeless IP and Barbie, Dune 2, Harry Potter etc. all bets will pay off even more. I just can't time it right.

Shawn68z

Every day at my work, we discuss if Elon is good for Tesla, or is it time for him to step down and leave. We all have either invested in Tesla or atleast traded the stock at some point. Myself, I just sold for a tiddy profit but I do believe the company has good IP assets, and that's where their value lies. I will be back into Tesla when the time is right,